I'd agree with you Oli - but I'm not sure the undeserving neutral sat in
your Final-seat would - that's my point. Some of these old colonels who
run the Kent public schools FA or whatever - see these as their rightful
property in return for years of service.  They no doubt see it as part
of the "magic of the FA Cup".

I had a cockney-Newcastle fan next to me yesterday - in the United end,
so we can't blame just the neutrals for feeding the black market either.
I also bizarrely passed the Cambridge United team in one of the stretch
limo's - so they did at least take up their allocation.

As you say some pressure might result in some change, so its worth
trying.

Cheers
Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: Oli Winton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 April 2005 15:21
To: Richard Usher; [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [imusa] FA cup final allocations

They were sections put aside for the FA and Premoier League who didnt
fill 
them. same as teh directors box at OT every week. They tried giving them
to 
charities but had left it too late and couldnt shift them.

As for the turkeys voting for xmas, it is not the same. There will
always be 
a neutral section at the cup final and always enough for all the FA
staff 
etc. It is the fact that tickets systemtically go to every grass roots 
organisation, local associations etc. I wouldnt be so bitter about it if

they didnt all end up on the black market or even if they went to
charities. 
surely a neutral landing one withotu any good reason is not as deserving
as 
a Utd season ticket/LMTB holder?!

If we keep up pressure it might lead to a small change, perhaps 18,000 
neutrals instead of 20,000 last year. At least it would be a shift in
the 
right direction. Cannot imagine Arsenal are do anything abotu it either,

they have the least active supporters imaginable.



From: "Richard Usher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Oli Winton" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[email protected]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [imusa] FA cup final allocations
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:13:57 +0100

Fully agree Oli - but don't expect Turkeys to vote for Christmas ! :-)

Did anyone notice that VIP section sat empty yesterday?  It was the
middle block in the mainstand on the front of the tier - it sat empty
throughout.

Seems even the liggers were loathe to a Cardiff 2 o'clock !!

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Oli Winton
Sent: 18 April 2005 15:06
To: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [imusa] FA cup final allocations


Last year there was an unprecedented step by the FA to give (slightly)
fewer
tickets to neutrals and more to each club. We now have a new head of the
FA
in a position to continue this shift back towards the supporters and
show
that he actually cares.

We all know that neutral tickets all end up in the hands of the
supporters
anyway, just at inflated prices. And it is easy to understand how
someone
opportunistically agrees to a ticket they are offered and is later
tempted
by hundreds of pounds waved in front ofd their face. The FA have to
realise
that it is far more sensible to let the club's decide who goes, rather
than
it being determined by which not necessarily loyal fans can afford to
buy
from a tout.

I am sure a few polite letters to the FA would not do any harm in the
next
week whilst they decide the allocations.

Cheers
Oli





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