2007/7/2, Peter Tribble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On 7/2/07, Alberto Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now, seriously, why do we need Java on the core OS? Perl and Python make > sense, since both are used for systems stuff, already, but Java? Do we need > it in the core essentials? I'm actually very glad that Ian is advocating that Java belongs in the core (which I've always believed to be the case), and that it looks like it's not too big to overwhelm it.
Being on the core and being availible on the main distribution are different things. What are we talking about exactly? Java on the essentials of the OS (minimal) Java on the default LiveCD? Note that I don't have an strong opinion on this, only want people to expose proper arguments rather than "Java rocks", or it has "wide enterprise adoption" and all that stuff :-) I don't actually see much difference in the logic between python and
java. Perl is slightly different, given the amount of ad-hoc scripting that exists.
There is python scripting for that purposes already, however, I tend to think of Java as a platform targeted to larger and complex applications, I might be wrong. Java is a key enabler. There's a huge ecosystem built up around
java. Its inclusion (if done right) immediately makes OpenSolaris relevant to a larger community.
Definitively, Java should be available on the distribution itself, of course. I was questioning its need on the minimal/essential system. I'm still not sure if we are talking about that, or the main distribution (Live/InstallerCD). Java gives you some things directly - from neat tools like chime
through immediate access to tomcat or glassfish, to things like looking glass.
I think that none doubts that Java should be available. (OK, I'm biased, working on a number of tools that use java,
which I would love to see in Indiana [or, even better, similar tools written by someone who knows what they're doing].)
-- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz
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