James Cornell wrote:
> Richard Elling wrote:
>   
>> James Cornell wrote:
>>     
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>  
>>>       
>>>>> PS: My experience is with SXCE (Solaris Express Community Edition) not
>>>>> Indiana on this hardware, and I find Indiana to be lacking in
>>>>> extensibility which this type of setup would most likely depend on.
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> Could you provide more details on this lack of extensibility?
>>>> Certainly support for servers is more difficult today with Indiana
>>>> given the current lack of Jumpstart or something similar (but see
>>>> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/auto_install/ for information
>>>> on what's coming).  What do you find about SXCE that makes it better
>>>> for laptops like the MacBook?
>>>>
>>>> dsc
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> UFS root is better than ZFS root with the current situation.
>>>       
>> SXCE offers ZFS boot and works very nicely with LiveUpgrade.
>> I see the point about the difference between local media (iso) and
>> the OpenSolaris repositories... the latter isn't so good for the
>> bandwidth
>> challenged.
>>
>>     
>>>   Nevada is
>>> what Indiana is built upon and from my experience desktop support is
>>> still better (Fonts and other closed components are still very
>>> important).  
>>>       
>> Actually, SXCE font experiences are all screwed up from b93-on
>> [due to a variety of issues, notably freetype2 hickups].  b97 is
>> reasonably
>> ok, though, AFAICT.
>>
>>     
>>> Text-mode installer.  Offline install and live upgrade
>>> using isos.  Probably others.  Specific to the hardware, the ZFS boot
>>> issue is the main concern with dual-boot.
>>>   
>>>       
>> I'm not sure what concern you have on dual-boot, I do this often.
>> Perhaps you can enlighten us?  Perhaps it is something which has
>> already been fixed...
>> -- richard
>>
>>     
> I notice the font issue after B90 or so.  GUI may have potential issues
> on this type of hardware due to the driver version but that all depends
> on the build of Nevada, Indiana vs OpenSolaris and ATI vs NVIDIA.  From
> my experience less-so, but I'll throw it out there.  The main concern is
> ZFS root simply is not an option due to EFI bugs in the Solaris
> installer.  Though the workaround still works (Still risky to a
> multiboot setup) ZFS root is self-contained and requires direct booting
> of the kernel by unpacking the boot archive using GRUB, while the
> current solution is to use rEFIt to chainload preferrably off of a
> superblock, and this it potentially problematic.
>   

Yes, you are correct.  Macs were the first to do EFI across the board
and the Solaris boot support for EFI is not yet ready.

> The concerns stem from Solaris installer bugs that have been fixed in
> part, but for the user have not all been fixed, so it's still not really
> good coming from the user experience side.  Having to change the EFI
> system partition because of presumptions that the partitioner and fdisk
> makes is really a problem, it leads to many extra hours of problems if
> something goes wrong.  GRUB's installation onto the MBR by default
> without an option to not do so results in an unbootable Solaris system.
> (EFI will deny this and since there's no superblock install you cannot
> chainload with a default install)
>
> Though not specific to Indiana, GRUB being retarded and making
> assumptions, the fdisk and format bugs, oddities when trying to use USB
> disks with OpenSolaris (Takes a good 15 minutes to boot on Sun's own
> hardware, and I don't think this is an option with rEFIt even, so
> non-Mac Pro users are SOL in going the USB route)
>
> Specific to Indiana, the lack of text-mode is annoying (Actually it's a
> keymap problem that I'm trying to speak about now that I think about
> it)  Jumpstart another, as for some merely trying to the boot the media
> on systems without the latest firmware have some issues, leaving no
> alternatives except direct, native installs, but again I've tried B93
> and it's still borked.
>
> Issues for both are format, GRUB, fdisk, X11 keymaps and console keymaps.
>
> Anyways, until SXCE has good fonts back and is at B100 or so I'm not
> going to even attempt it again on either my MacBook Pro or Ultra 20, and
> Indiana not until 2008.11 because from my experience it's lacking in the
> software department still, ips bugs waste tons of bandwidth (More than
> simply grabbing SXCE at times if you follow mailing list threads) and
> retarded assumptions in general about what hardware the user is trying
> to install on.  Both IMHO are equally crap on this hardware.  No
> bluetooth still, fonts look like crap, power management is utterly
> pathethic, and the reality that Sun pushed Indiana wholeheartedly
> knowing that it was only intended for developers, but that didn't stop
> their mud mongers from telling regular users "It's fantastic, it's new,
> it just works, try it we'll give you FREE gold bars!"
>
>   

I tried to nail a mud monger to the wall once, but they are like jello...
 -- richard

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