James Cornell wrote: > Richard Elling wrote: > >> James Cornell wrote: >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> PS: My experience is with SXCE (Solaris Express Community Edition) not >>>>> Indiana on this hardware, and I find Indiana to be lacking in >>>>> extensibility which this type of setup would most likely depend on. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Could you provide more details on this lack of extensibility? >>>> Certainly support for servers is more difficult today with Indiana >>>> given the current lack of Jumpstart or something similar (but see >>>> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/auto_install/ for information >>>> on what's coming). What do you find about SXCE that makes it better >>>> for laptops like the MacBook? >>>> >>>> dsc >>>> >>>> >>> UFS root is better than ZFS root with the current situation. >>> >> SXCE offers ZFS boot and works very nicely with LiveUpgrade. >> I see the point about the difference between local media (iso) and >> the OpenSolaris repositories... the latter isn't so good for the >> bandwidth >> challenged. >> >> >>> Nevada is >>> what Indiana is built upon and from my experience desktop support is >>> still better (Fonts and other closed components are still very >>> important). >>> >> Actually, SXCE font experiences are all screwed up from b93-on >> [due to a variety of issues, notably freetype2 hickups]. b97 is >> reasonably >> ok, though, AFAICT. >> >> >>> Text-mode installer. Offline install and live upgrade >>> using isos. Probably others. Specific to the hardware, the ZFS boot >>> issue is the main concern with dual-boot. >>> >>> >> I'm not sure what concern you have on dual-boot, I do this often. >> Perhaps you can enlighten us? Perhaps it is something which has >> already been fixed... >> -- richard >> >> > I notice the font issue after B90 or so. GUI may have potential issues > on this type of hardware due to the driver version but that all depends > on the build of Nevada, Indiana vs OpenSolaris and ATI vs NVIDIA. From > my experience less-so, but I'll throw it out there. The main concern is > ZFS root simply is not an option due to EFI bugs in the Solaris > installer. Though the workaround still works (Still risky to a > multiboot setup) ZFS root is self-contained and requires direct booting > of the kernel by unpacking the boot archive using GRUB, while the > current solution is to use rEFIt to chainload preferrably off of a > superblock, and this it potentially problematic. >
Yes, you are correct. Macs were the first to do EFI across the board and the Solaris boot support for EFI is not yet ready. > The concerns stem from Solaris installer bugs that have been fixed in > part, but for the user have not all been fixed, so it's still not really > good coming from the user experience side. Having to change the EFI > system partition because of presumptions that the partitioner and fdisk > makes is really a problem, it leads to many extra hours of problems if > something goes wrong. GRUB's installation onto the MBR by default > without an option to not do so results in an unbootable Solaris system. > (EFI will deny this and since there's no superblock install you cannot > chainload with a default install) > > Though not specific to Indiana, GRUB being retarded and making > assumptions, the fdisk and format bugs, oddities when trying to use USB > disks with OpenSolaris (Takes a good 15 minutes to boot on Sun's own > hardware, and I don't think this is an option with rEFIt even, so > non-Mac Pro users are SOL in going the USB route) > > Specific to Indiana, the lack of text-mode is annoying (Actually it's a > keymap problem that I'm trying to speak about now that I think about > it) Jumpstart another, as for some merely trying to the boot the media > on systems without the latest firmware have some issues, leaving no > alternatives except direct, native installs, but again I've tried B93 > and it's still borked. > > Issues for both are format, GRUB, fdisk, X11 keymaps and console keymaps. > > Anyways, until SXCE has good fonts back and is at B100 or so I'm not > going to even attempt it again on either my MacBook Pro or Ultra 20, and > Indiana not until 2008.11 because from my experience it's lacking in the > software department still, ips bugs waste tons of bandwidth (More than > simply grabbing SXCE at times if you follow mailing list threads) and > retarded assumptions in general about what hardware the user is trying > to install on. Both IMHO are equally crap on this hardware. No > bluetooth still, fonts look like crap, power management is utterly > pathethic, and the reality that Sun pushed Indiana wholeheartedly > knowing that it was only intended for developers, but that didn't stop > their mud mongers from telling regular users "It's fantastic, it's new, > it just works, try it we'll give you FREE gold bars!" > > I tried to nail a mud monger to the wall once, but they are like jello... -- richard _______________________________________________ indiana-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
