Dear Friends Let me add my observations of this tree. I have seen this tree to have leaves in almost all months.
I was running though some literature from the Flora of Tamilnadu Carnatic prepared by Dr.K M Mathew at The Rapinat Herbarium project. The description given there matches with Neil ji's description. Fr.Mathews adds that it can be seen from Plains to coast to 300(500)m. Common along the banks of Cauvery and Kollidam rivers, in scrub jungles especially on the coast. However he mentions that *odora* is a sub species of *Crataeva adansonii*. In the literature given with the description for Crataeva, he mentions all these other species referred to in our mails such as *C roxburghii, C religiosa *var* roxburghii, C odora*; but gives only three as found in Tamilnadu Carnatic. These are* Crataeva adansonii* *Crataeva** adansonii* * *ssp *odora *and *C magna* When i run through the flower description it is C magna that has white flowers and C*adansonii* has cream to yellowish flowers. Now the tree that i photographed had white and cream coloured flowers.I don't know whether they were ageing flowers, because when i looked through binoculars they looked fresh. Also now i am not sure about the leaves being trifoliate. I also looked at the description of *Capparis Nilgiriensis* so i guess it cannot be C nilgiriensis. Just to educate myself better can someone tell me the differences between * Capparis* vs *Crateva* please? From this book i found it to be that *Capparis *has simple leaves where as *Crataeva* has trifoliate leaves. *C adansonii odora* then is it? In tamil in addition to *Mavilangam *it is also called *Kudugai* best wishes geetha given in the same book. It matches all of the characters except the fact that there were no yellow blotches in the flower which Fr.Mathews mentions. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 4:42 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Dinesh ji & Devendra ji & other experts, > I think there is some confusion about the correct name of Crataeva species > found in India. > "Trees of Delhi states Crataeva *nurvala*, *Crataeva religiosa* & *Crataeva > magna* to be an invalid Syn. of *Crateva > adansonii* (i.e not valid synonyms, but are commonly used (incorrectly)). > Trees of Delhi also states (about Crateva adansonii, subsp. *odora*) that > new leaves in April, canopy renewed in May. Flowers with new leaves, peaking > by late April. " > As per earlier thread: > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/ce1dce961771b5a8/dc9cdac0180a726e?lnk=gst&q=Crateva+adansonii > > "*Crataeva nurvala* [*C.religosa*] is an African species that is not > [naturally] found in India. The common species of Sacred Barna [locally > called Vaivarun] found in and around Bombay [including the one photographed > by Kiran at Kanheri] is C.tapia. It is a small tree with a much-branched > head and greenish-white flowers. The other species of Crataeva found in > Maharashtra is *C.adansonii* [*C.tapia ssp.odora*] which is common around > Savantwadi and is seen mainly on riverbeds and ocassionally on hilly > slopes.It is a larger tree [upto 10mts tall] with a dense crown and white > flowers. > With regards, > Neil Soares. " > > *I think we have to have more discussion as to the correct name of this & > other species commonly found in India. Experts may help in the matter.* > > 2009/4/5 Devendra Bhardwaj <[email protected]> > > I am attach fresh photo. >> Devendra Bhardwaj >> >> --- On *Sun, 5/4/09, Devendra Bhardwaj <[email protected]>*wrote: >> >> >> From: Devendra Bhardwaj <[email protected]> >> Subject: [indiantreepix:10233] Fw: [indiantreepix:10232] Re: 050409 GI >> tree for id >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sunday, 5 April, 2009, 2:15 PM >> >> >> >> --- On *Sun, 5/4/09, Devendra Bhardwaj <[email protected]>*wrote: >> >> >> From: Devendra Bhardwaj <[email protected]> >> Subject: [indiantreepix:10232] Re: 050409 GI tree for id >> To: "wildflowerindia" <[email protected]>, "Padmanabhan >> Geetha" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "indiantreepix Indian" <[email protected]> >> Date: Sunday, 5 April, 2009, 2:10 PM >> >> hello , >> It is *Crataeva religiosa,*Very beautiful flowering in stating summer. >> With Regard >> Devendra Bhardwaj >> >> >> --- On *Sun, 5/4/09, Padmanabhan Geetha <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Padmanabhan Geetha <[email protected]> >> Subject: [indiantreepix:10216] 050409 GI tree for id >> To: "wildflowerindia" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "indiantreepix Indian" <[email protected]> >> Date: Sunday, 5 April, 2009, 11:18 AM >> >> Dear Friends and Garg ji >> I know that posting guidelines does not encourage more than two images a >> day; the reason i am breaking rule is because this tree which i have >> photographed again at Velliangiri, this time at the foothills, also has >> flowers like ones we see in Family Capparidaceae. >> With Dineshji hazarding the ids of the two flowers i have already posted >> to be *Capparis sp* i could not resist posting this. so with apologies >> please and no more today.... >> >> Tree and flowers photographed on march 23 at (coimbatore) Velliangiri >> foothills.In the image of the tree the one in the foreground is the one that >> requires id.... >> >> thanks and best wishes >> geetha >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. >> Get before others grab. >> ------------------------------ >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! >> >> <http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_dbid_13/*http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address>Invite >> them now. >> ------------------------------ >> Cricket on your mind? 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