Thanks, Geetha ji, for your efforts. Others are requested to pl. contribute w.r.t. clarification of *Crataeva*species commonly found in India.
2009/4/6 Padmanabhan Geetha <[email protected]> > Dear Friends > Let me add my observations of this tree. I have seen this tree to have > leaves in almost all months. > > I was running though some literature from the Flora of Tamilnadu Carnatic > prepared by Dr.K M Mathew at The Rapinat Herbarium project. > The description given there matches with Neil ji's description. Fr.Mathews > adds that it can be seen from Plains to coast to 300(500)m. Common along the > banks of Cauvery and Kollidam rivers, in scrub jungles especially on the > coast. > However he mentions that *odora* is a sub species of *Crataeva adansonii > * . > In the literature given with the description for Crataeva, he mentions all > these other species referred to in our mails such as *C roxburghii, C > religiosa *var* roxburghii, C odora*; but gives only three as found in > Tamilnadu Carnatic. These are* Crataeva adansonii* *Crataeva** adansonii* > **ssp *odora *and *C magna* > > When i run through the flower description it is C magna that has white > flowers and C*adansonii* has cream to yellowish flowers. > > Now the tree that i photographed had white and cream coloured flowers.I > don't know whether they were ageing flowers, because when i looked through > binoculars they looked fresh. > > Also now i am not sure about the leaves being trifoliate. > > I also looked at the description of *Capparis Nilgiriensis* so i guess > it cannot be C nilgiriensis. > > Just to educate myself better can someone tell me the differences between > *Capparis* vs *Crateva* please? From this book i found it to be that *Capparis > *has simple leaves where as *Crataeva* has trifoliate leaves. > > *C adansonii odora* then is it? In tamil in addition to *Mavilangam *it is > also called *Kudugai* > best wishes > geetha given in the same book. It matches all of the characters except the > fact that there were no yellow blotches in the flower which Fr.Mathews > mentions. > > > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 4:42 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, Dinesh ji & Devendra ji & other experts, >> I think there is some confusion about the correct name of Crataeva species >> found in India. >> "Trees of Delhi states Crataeva *nurvala*, *Crataeva religiosa* & *Crataeva >> magna* to be an invalid Syn. of *Crateva >> adansonii* (i.e not valid synonyms, but are commonly used (incorrectly)). >> Trees of Delhi also states (about Crateva adansonii, subsp. *odora*) that >> new leaves in April, canopy renewed in May. Flowers with new leaves, peaking >> by late April. " >> As per earlier thread: >> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/ce1dce961771b5a8/dc9cdac0180a726e?lnk=gst&q=Crateva+adansonii >> >> "*Crataeva nurvala* [*C.religosa*] is an African species that is not >> [naturally] found in India. The common species of Sacred Barna [locally >> called Vaivarun] found in and around Bombay [including the one photographed >> by Kiran at Kanheri] is C.tapia. It is a small tree with a much-branched >> head and greenish-white flowers. The other species of Crataeva found in >> Maharashtra is *C.adansonii* [*C.tapia ssp.odora*] which is common around >> Savantwadi and is seen mainly on riverbeds and ocassionally on hilly >> slopes.It is a larger tree [upto 10mts tall] with a dense crown and white >> flowers. >> With regards, >> Neil Soares. " >> >> *I think we have to have more discussion as to the correct name of this & >> other species commonly found in India. Experts may help in the matter.* >> >> 2009/4/5 Devendra Bhardwaj <[email protected]> >> >> I am attach fresh photo. >>> Devendra Bhardwaj >>> >>> --- On *Sun, 5/4/09, Devendra Bhardwaj <[email protected]>*wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Devendra Bhardwaj <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [indiantreepix:10233] Fw: [indiantreepix:10232] Re: 050409 GI >>> tree for id >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Sunday, 5 April, 2009, 2:15 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On *Sun, 5/4/09, Devendra Bhardwaj <[email protected]>*wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Devendra Bhardwaj <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [indiantreepix:10232] Re: 050409 GI tree for id >>> To: "wildflowerindia" <[email protected]>, "Padmanabhan >>> Geetha" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: "indiantreepix Indian" <[email protected]> >>> Date: Sunday, 5 April, 2009, 2:10 PM >>> >>> hello , >>> It is *Crataeva religiosa,*Very beautiful flowering in stating summer. >>> With Regard >>> Devendra Bhardwaj >>> >>> >>> --- On *Sun, 5/4/09, Padmanabhan Geetha <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Padmanabhan Geetha <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [indiantreepix:10216] 050409 GI tree for id >>> To: "wildflowerindia" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: "indiantreepix Indian" <[email protected]> >>> Date: Sunday, 5 April, 2009, 11:18 AM >>> >>> Dear Friends and Garg ji >>> I know that posting guidelines does not encourage more than two images a >>> day; the reason i am breaking rule is because this tree which i have >>> photographed again at Velliangiri, this time at the foothills, also has >>> flowers like ones we see in Family Capparidaceae. >>> With Dineshji hazarding the ids of the two flowers i have already posted >>> to be *Capparis sp* i could not resist posting this. so with apologies >>> please and no more today.... >>> >>> Tree and flowers photographed on march 23 at (coimbatore) Velliangiri >>> foothills.In the image of the tree the one in the foreground is the one that >>> requires id.... >>> >>> thanks and best wishes >>> geetha >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. >>> Get before others grab. >>> ------------------------------ >>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! >>> >>> <http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_dbid_13/*http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address>Invite >>> them now. >>> ------------------------------ >>> Cricket on your mind? 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