After looking at various posts concerning Sterculia foetida, I have noted down
the following things:
1. Sterculia foetida and S. villosa may produce similar looking flowers, but
clearly differ in leaves. S. foetita has digitate leaves with 7-9 leaflets,
whereas S. villosa has 5-7 lobed simple leaves. Both have red ripe fruits, but
those of S. foetida are glabrous outside and those of S. villosa hairy outside.
2. The photographs uploaded by Dinesh Valke (post 15788 at .55 in my computer
with one photo; 15788 at 22.26 with three photos- I wonder how two posts with
different content can have same serial number. Garg ji please do something
about this) and Naresh Pancholi (post 15809) all belong to S. foetida. Luckily
leaves, which my friend Dinesh was wondering why they are there, have helped in
confirming identification. The photograph by J M Garg (15772) has clearly
glabrous fruits, and evidently belong to S. foetida.
3. The photographs by Shubhada Nikharge (15781)unfortunately are without
leaves, but the fruit although sufficiently dried and not showing any red
colour is clearly hairy outside and evidently may belong to S villosa. The
photographs in Indiatreepix Database are without fruits and leaves. Perhaps any
one having photographs of leaves, flowers and fruits from the same tree may
clinch the issue conclusively.
Thanks for your your photographs Dinesh ji, Naresh ji, Garg ji and Shubhada ji.
Gurcharan Singh
----- Original Message -----
From: J.M. Garg
To: shubhada nikharge
Cc: satish phadke ; Gurcharan Singh ; Dinesh Valke ; indiantreepix
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:15828] Re: Sterculia foetida (Wild Almond) dried
fruits and flowers
I think it's Sterculia villosa as per details from Indiantreepix Database:
Sterculia villosa (syn. S. armata, S. lantsangensis, S. ornata)
Sterculiaceae Odal Tree On 16/3/08 at Jayanti, Duars, West Bengal. Fl. Feb
Trees of the Sikkim Himalaya - Google Book Search Sterculia villosa -
indiantreepix | Google Groups Fruiting tree for ID - indiantreepix | Google
Groups
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Sterculia_villosa_Bra10.png
http://tnenvis.nic.in/floral_gal/sterculiavillosa.jpg Beautiful Pods BK 9 -
indiantreepix | Google Groups Id please - indiantreepix | Google Groups Id this
tree please Arunachal Pradesh - indiantreepix | Google Groups File:Sterculia
villosa Bra10.png - Wikimedia Commons Sterculia villosa in Flora of China @
efloras.org Tree for ID - indiantreepix | Google Groups Tree for ID -
indiantreepix | Google Groups
2009/8/13 shubhada nikharge <[email protected]>
Hi,
In Shrikant's book, flowers are of both colours, red as well as yellow
with red in the centre.
However after so many doubts raised by the experts, i feel that i am making
a mistake.
I had taken these pics many years ago in Goregaon, Mumbai in the month of
Jan. The tree was leafless when photographed.
The flowers were identified instantly by a botany student.
When I searched my old pics which were not sorted very systematically at
that time, i could find pics of fruits too. However, these fruits look
different in shape and size.
i have attached more pics of fruits and flowers.
i hope this will help the experts to identify the tree.
Extremely sorry for not putting up the pics of fruits along with flowers
and wasting time of the experts in guessing.
sorry again,
shubhada
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From: satish phadke <[email protected]>
To: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>
Cc: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>; shubhada nikharge
<[email protected]>; J.M. Garg <[email protected]>; indiantreepix
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 11:13:04 PM
Subject: [indiantreepix:15828] Re: Sterculia foetida (Wild Almond) dried
fruits and flowers
Dear Gurcharanji and Dinesh ji
The Sterculia foetida tree photographed by me is visible from my fifth
floor flat balcony.
What I have observed for several years is :
The flowering starts on a leafless tree. The new leaves start appearing and
the flowering still continues. It depends when you take the
photograph.........if late you may have a photograph of both as seen in Mine
and Dinesh's pictures as well as that on Flowers of India website.
The difference I wanted to point is:
The pattern of colouring in Shubhada's flowers. The petals are more
triangular and the red colour is restricted to the central portion of the
petals. Whereas in my picture the petals are much darker reddish (Even the
younger petals have red spots till the periphery.)and they are thinner and
longish rather than equilateral triangle. My picture have been taken in Feb.
Dr Phadke
2009/8/12 Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>
Dear Dinesh ji
I don't think there is anything peculiar.
1. The flowers in your photograph and that by Shubhada are similar. The
photograph reproduced by Pradip Kishen in his book Trees of Delhi are very
similar to Shubhada from old leafless branch.
2. Sterculia foetida in Delhi produces new leaves in late March or early
April, flowers mid to Late March, so it should not be unusual to see young
leaves (in your photograph) along with the inflorescences with flowers.
Gurcharan Singh
----- Original Message -----
From: Dinesh Valke
To: Gurcharan Singh
Cc: satish phadke ; shubhada nikharge ; J.M. Garg ; indiantreepix
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:15788] Re: Sterculia foetida (Wild Almond)
dried fruits and flowers
... what makes the sight different is that the flowering seems to be
happening while there are no leaves around.
I am referring to my own sightings, where I get to see flowering in a
profuse manner in much branched ¿ panicles ? arising from tender branches, and
just below canopy of leaves.
Whatever Shubhada ji has sighted is certainly interesting ... flowering
twig stemming from altogether dried-up branch with no scars of fallen leaves.
Attaching few of my photos, more at
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Sterculia+foetida&w=91314344%40N00&s=int&z=e
Regards.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>
wrote:
Mr Satish ji
It will more useful if differences noticed are pointed out. I have
not been able to find any.
Gurcharan Singh
----- Original Message -----
From: satish phadke
To: Dinesh Valke
Cc: shubhada nikharge ; J.M. Garg ; indiantreepix
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: [indiantreepix:15788] Re: Sterculia foetida (Wild Almond)
dried fruits and flowers
I think the flowers are little different than what I have observed.
Dr Phadke
Look at the attached picture and the link.
http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Java%20Olive.html
2009/8/12 Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>
... many thanks for photo of flowers, Shubhada ji.
Regards.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM, shubhada nikharge
<[email protected]> wrote:
Few more pics of Sterculia foetida. (bark, flowers and dried
fruits)
cheers,
shubhada
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From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
To: indiantreepix <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 8:40:22 AM
Subject: [indiantreepix:15772] Sterculia foetida (Wild Almond)
fruits
Just to show the colours of these.
On 13/6/09 in Hyderabad, AP.
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