The leaves resolve the issue conclusively. It is S. villosa Gurcharan Singh ----- Original Message ----- From: shubhada nikharge To: Gurcharan Singh ; J.M. Garg Cc: satish phadke ; Dinesh Valke ; indiantreepix Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:15848] Re: Sterculia foetida (Wild Almond) dried fruits and flowers
Gucharan ji, Thanx very much for the detailed reply and the efforts taken to resolve the issue. i am now posting 2 more pics of leaves ( leaves are 5 lobed). The date and time of the photographs of leaves is same as that of the flowers. The small part of bark seen in both pics ( flowers and leaves) look alike. So I feel we can now conclude it as S. villosa. thanx Satish ji, Grag ji, Dinesh ji and naresh ji for all the help. Sorry again for creating the confusion. cheers, shubhada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>; shubhada nikharge <[email protected]> Cc: satish phadke <[email protected]>; Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>; indiantreepix <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 13 August, 2009 7:24:15 PM Subject: [indiantreepix:15848] Re: Sterculia foetida (Wild Almond) dried fruits and flowers After looking at various posts concerning Sterculia foetida, I have noted down the following things: 1. Sterculia foetida and S. villosa may produce similar looking flowers, but clearly differ in leaves. S. foetita has digitate leaves with 7-9 leaflets, whereas S. villosa has 5-7 lobed simple leaves. Both have red ripe fruits, but those of S. foetida are glabrous outside and those of S. villosa hairy outside. 2. The photographs uploaded by Dinesh Valke (post 15788 at .55 in my computer with one photo; 15788 at 22.26 with three photos- I wonder how two posts with different content can have same serial number. Garg ji please do something about this) and Naresh Pancholi (post 15809) all belong to S. foetida. Luckily leaves, which my friend Dinesh was wondering why they are there, have helped in confirming identification. The photograph by J M Garg (15772) has clearly glabrous fruits, and evidently belong to S. foetida. 3. The photographs by Shubhada Nikharge (15781)unfortunately are without leaves, but the fruit although sufficiently dried and not showing any red colour is clearly hairy outside and evidently may belong to S villosa. The photographs in Indiatreepix Database are without fruits and leaves. Perhaps any one having photographs of leaves, flowers and fruits from the same tree may clinch the issue conclusively. Thanks for your your photographs Dinesh ji, Naresh ji, Garg ji and Shubhada ji. Gurcharan Singh ----- Original Message ----- From: J.M. Garg To: shubhada nikharge Cc: satish phadke ; Gurcharan Singh ; Dinesh Valke ; indiantreepix Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:15828] Re: Sterculia foetida (Wild Almond) dried fruits and flowers I think it's Sterculia villosa as per details from Indiantreepix Database: Sterculia villosa (syn. S. armata, S. lantsangensis, S. ornata) Sterculiaceae Odal Tree On 16/3/08 at Jayanti, Duars, West Bengal. Fl. Feb Trees of the Sikkim Himalaya - Google Book Search Sterculia villosa - indiantreepix | Google Groups Fruiting tree for ID - indiantreepix | Google Groups http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Sterculia_villosa_Bra10.png http://tnenvis.nic.in/floral_gal/sterculiavillosa.jpg Beautiful Pods BK 9 - indiantreepix | Google Groups Id please - indiantreepix | Google Groups Id this tree please Arunachal Pradesh - indiantreepix | Google Groups File:Sterculia villosa Bra10.png - Wikimedia Commons Sterculia villosa in Flora of China @ efloras.org Tree for ID - indiantreepix | Google Groups Tree for ID - indiantreepix | Google Groups 2009/8/13 shubhada nikharge <[email protected]> Hi, In Shrikant's book, flowers are of both colours, red as well as yellow with red in the centre. However after so many doubts raised by the experts, i feel that i am making a mistake. I had taken these pics many years ago in Goregaon, Mumbai in the month of Jan. The tree was leafless when photographed. The flowers were identified instantly by a botany student. When I searched my old pics which were not sorted very systematically at that time, i could find pics of fruits too. However, these fruits look different in shape and size. i have attached more pics of fruits and flowers. i hope this will help the experts to identify the tree. Extremely sorry for not putting up the pics of fruits along with flowers and wasting time of the experts in guessing. sorry again, shubhada -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: satish phadke <[email protected]> To: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> Cc: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>; shubhada nikharge <[email protected]>; J.M. Garg <[email protected]>; indiantreepix <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 11:13:04 PM Subject: [indiantreepix:15828] Re: Sterculia foetida (Wild Almond) dried fruits and flowers Dear Gurcharanji and Dinesh ji The Sterculia foetida tree photographed by me is visible from my fifth floor flat balcony. What I have observed for several years is : The flowering starts on a leafless tree. The new leaves start appearing and the flowering still continues. It depends when you take the photograph.........if late you may have a photograph of both as seen in Mine and Dinesh's pictures as well as that on Flowers of India website. The difference I wanted to point is: The pattern of colouring in Shubhada's flowers. The petals are more triangular and the red colour is restricted to the central portion of the petals. Whereas in my picture the petals are much darker reddish (Even the younger petals have red spots till the periphery.)and they are thinner and longish rather than equilateral triangle. My picture have been taken in Feb. Dr Phadke 2009/8/12 Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> Dear Dinesh ji I don't think there is anything peculiar. 1. The flowers in your photograph and that by Shubhada are similar. The photograph reproduced by Pradip Kishen in his book Trees of Delhi are very similar to Shubhada from old leafless branch. 2. Sterculia foetida in Delhi produces new leaves in late March or early April, flowers mid to Late March, so it should not be unusual to see young leaves (in your photograph) along with the inflorescences with flowers. Gurcharan Singh ----- Original Message ----- From: Dinesh Valke To: Gurcharan Singh Cc: satish phadke ; shubhada nikharge ; J.M. Garg ; indiantreepix Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:15788] Re: Sterculia foetida (Wild Almond) dried fruits and flowers ... what makes the sight different is that the flowering seems to be happening while there are no leaves around. I am referring to my own sightings, where I get to see flowering in a profuse manner in much branched ¿ panicles ? arising from tender branches, and just below canopy of leaves. Whatever Shubhada ji has sighted is certainly interesting ... flowering twig stemming from altogether dried-up branch with no scars of fallen leaves. Attaching few of my photos, more at http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Sterculia+foetida&w=91314344%40N00&s=int&z=e Regards. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: Mr Satish ji It will more useful if differences noticed are pointed out. I have not been able to find any. Gurcharan Singh ----- Original Message ----- From: satish phadke To: Dinesh Valke Cc: shubhada nikharge ; J.M. Garg ; indiantreepix Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: [indiantreepix:15788] Re: Sterculia foetida (Wild Almond) dried fruits and flowers I think the flowers are little different than what I have observed. Dr Phadke Look at the attached picture and the link. http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Java%20Olive.html 2009/8/12 Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> ... many thanks for photo of flowers, Shubhada ji. Regards. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM, shubhada nikharge <[email protected]> wrote: Few more pics of Sterculia foetida. (bark, flowers and dried fruits) cheers, shubhada -------------------------------------------------------------- From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 8:40:22 AM Subject: [indiantreepix:15772] Sterculia foetida (Wild Almond) fruits Just to show the colours of these. On 13/6/09 in Hyderabad, AP. -- With regards, J.M.Garg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- Indiantreepix:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en -------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. -- http:// satishphadke.blogspot.com -- http:// satishphadke.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Love Cricket? 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