Dear Sundaram ji Let me first show my appreciation to know that there is some one elder than me in this group. We are separated by four years. I greatly appreciate the great work you are doing. I still remember as child picking up Guchhi (Morchella), Kan dole (Halvella) as two most delicious wild plants (now guchhi with overexploitation, is costlier than gold), which I could remember from chilhood (no botany knowledge) and could identify specimens botanically when in M. Sc.In that sense there is no botanist and nonbotanist. My mother could identify young plants of Saag, sarson, belonging to Brassica, whereas many botanists can't do it from even flowering specimens. Yours, mine, my mother and similar cases are isolated ones. We want the progress of whole India, for that information spread is essential, and more important correct one at that, so that we don't spend crores of rupees on importing products from outside.India and Africa are richest areas are floristic diversity, butamong poorest in the World, because is paucity of information, and proper exploitation. Let us not just be happy with our heritage. In this world of competition, we have to learn more to compete and progress. I rembember once visiting Nainital. On way we stayed in a village. The whole village was out of their homes for 8-10 hours because a holy person had come to give herbal cure for their eyes. When they came back I asked for the plant my host got from the saint. I went out and showed him plants growing in front of his house. It was Eclipta alba, (Bringaaraja in Sanskrit; Bhangra, mochkand in Hindi). There are thousands of such instances in our country. There is need to educate our people, and that is possible, if we know them correctly ourself.
That has been my objective throughout PS: Garg ji, you are getting enough material for your writeups. Dr. Gurcharan Singh Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College University of Delhi, Delhi India http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 ----- Original Message ----- From: M. Sundararaman To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:17733] Re: Botanical names in Indian Treetreepix and Flowers of India databases Dear and respected Dr Gurcharan, You have kindly provided enough excuse for me not to undertake studying about trees and Saplings and their Botanical Names .I am a B.E by Qln and spread tree-planting culture within my limited means of understanding.My Group of such "Unpads"in the "Friends of Nature" group(including IT/commerce) raise Saplings of "Thespesia Populnea",Neem, Pongamia Glabra(or Pinnata),cassia Fistula,Sterculia....in 1/2 Litre or one-litre milk-sachet and distribute freely to provide more health and environment with the grace of God,the Almighty.However, I would like to be guided whenever it becomes necessary. I really wonder how our Friend Shri Garg gets time and energy to moderate his group while in office in an important Portfolio i am attaching a write-up on my hobby which keeps me more healthy at 68 and also the world healthy by more Oxygen and greenery.You can spread this hobby for practice to your friends in the retired life.with regardsM.SUNDARARAMAN On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 08:37:18 +0530 wrote > Amit ji, Padmani ji and other nonbotany colleagues All of us are bound by one thing: Love for photography, love for nature and curiosity to know what plant I have clicked. In that no one is botanist or nonbotanist. All of us also want our plant to be identified correctly, and it is here that botanical names come in handy, and they are more meaningful when author name is attached. No garden lover would have miised the common garden flower cornflower. We all also know that it is botanically Centaurea cyanus, but incidently it is also known as bachelor's button, blue bottle, ragged robin. If you search for blue bottle on the internet, you will reach Centaurea cyanus, Muscari neglectum, species of Gentiana or even an insect Calliphora vomitoria. Safeda for us in Delhi and elsewhere is Eucalyptus spp. butif ask any one from Kashmir for a twig of Safeda, he/she will give you Populus spp. All these problems are not there when using botanical name.Each species will have only one accepted scientific name, known all over the world. You can extract all common names for this plant, not vice versa as indicated above. And now the names with authors. I will just give you just yesterday's example.Swagat ji (17625) uploaded a photograph which I identified as Atropa acuminata Royle., appropriately known as Indian belladona, a very important medicinal plant common in Himalayas. If you look for its description in OlderIndian books you will find it identified as A. belladona Linn.,the European bellodona L. which looks totally different (see it on Flowers of India-often cultivated in gardens). So won't you like to know whether your plant is belladona (deadly-nightshade) or Indian belladona. Botanically it can be written (as per present practice inIndiantreepix and Flowers of India): Atropa acuminata Syn: A. belladona What is your opinionis it correct? or else this one isbetter: Atropa acuminata Royle Sy: A. belladona Clarke (non L.) Make your choice, shortcut and confusion or clarity. Not to forget,many experts here in the group burn midnight oil to see that your plants are correctly identified.A plant sent by me at 1.30 in night was identified by Pankaj ji at 2.15 at night. We canall see the efforts and contributions of Kenneth to see that our plants are correctly identified. All have love for plants and passion forphotography. Dr. Gurcharan Singh >Associate Professor >SGTB Khalsa College >University of Delhi, Delhi >India >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 ----- Original Message ----- From: Amit Ray To: J.M. Garg Cc: Gurcharan Singh ; Pankaj Kumar ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:17715] Re: Botanical names in Indian Treetreepix and Flowers of India databases >I concur with this opinion. Indiantreepix is tending to get a bit too scientific for me. Please do not get me wrong. I am a lay person with love for photography and nature and that is what has drawn me to this group when Garg-ji started it. I do appreciate the help provided by the experts. This is just my opinion - many probably will not agree. Thanks and regards to all of you. > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:43 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > Some feedback: "Would it be expecting too much for the site to stay simple and interesting for non-botanists? > >Or could the more specialised and higher level discussions be put on a different link so as not to intimidate the lay plant-lover? > >(Just a suggestion, which I hope is taken impartially.) > >Padmini Raghavan." > > 2009/9/5 Gurcharan Singh > Thanks Pankaj ji for information. We are students all our life, and there is nothing better than learning few things. >Nothing to feel apologitic > >Dr. Gurcharan Singh >Associate Professor >SGTB Khalsa College >University of Delhi, Delhi >India >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 >----- Original Message ----- From: "Pankaj Kumar" >To: "J.M. Garg" >Cc: ; >Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:35 PM >Subject: [indiantreepix:17683] Re: Botanical names in Indian Treetreepix and Flowers of India databases > > > >With due respects to Dr. Gurcharan Singh, > >For author citations, according to ICBN, it is recommended that >abbreviations needs to be followed for authors using following >reference (RECOMMENDATION 46A, ICBN): > >Brummitt, R. K. and C. E. Powell. 1992. Authors of plant names: a list >of authors of scientific names of plants, with recommended standard >forms of their names, including abbreviations. Royal Botanic Gardens, >Kew. > >There are various editions of this book, which keep updating >information with the new author names and their abbreviations. > >So, Carolus Linnaeus is cited as 'L.' and not as 'Linn.' and >Jean-Baptiste Lamarck is cited as 'Lam.' and not as 'Lamk.'. > >Some of these abbreviations are present at the following site: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_botanists_by_author_abbreviation > >The latest code of ICBN: Vienna Code is available at the following >link for free: >http://ibot.sav.sk/icbn/main.htm > >I am sending this information just incase members want it to be >standardized properly, for use by both taxonomists as well as >non-botanists. > >Regards > >Pankaj > > > > > >-- > With regards, >J.M.Garg ([email protected]) >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- Indiantreepix:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en > > > clear=all> >-- >Amit Ray >25B Central Road >Kolkata 700032 >India >URL: http://wildlifeindia.freehostia.com >Phone: +91 033 24136034 >Mobile: +919433715107 >Email: >1) [email protected] >2) [email protected] >3) [email protected] >4) [email protected] >5) [email protected] >6) [email protected] >7) [email protected] >8) [email protected] > M. 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