Hi, Singh ji. Let us treat this thread as closed. This is my request. Pl. keep it.
2009/9/6 Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > Dear Sundaram ji > Let me first show my appreciation to know that there is some one elder than > me in this group. We are separated by four years. I greatly appreciate the > great work you are doing. I still remember as child picking up Guchhi > (Morchella), Kan dole (Halvella) as two most delicious wild plants (now > guchhi with overexploitation, is costlier than gold), which I could remember > from chilhood (no botany knowledge) and could identify specimens botanically > when in M. Sc.In that sense there is no botanist and nonbotanist. My mother > could identify young plants of Saag, sarson, belonging to Brassica, whereas > many botanists can't do it from even flowering specimens. > Yours, mine, my mother and similar cases are isolated ones. We want the > progress of whole India, for that information spread is essential, and more > important correct one at that, so that we don't spend crores of rupees on > importing products from outside.India and Africa are richest areas are > floristic diversity, butamong poorest in the > World, because is paucity of information, and proper exploitation. Let us > not just be happy with our heritage. In this world of competition, we have > to learn more to compete and progress. > I rembember once visiting Nainital. On way we stayed in a village. The > whole village was out of their homes for 8-10 hours because a holy person > had come to give herbal cure for their eyes. When they came back I asked for > the plant my host got from the saint. I went out and showed him plants > growing in front of his house. It was Eclipta alba, (Bringaaraja in > Sanskrit; Bhangra, mochkand in Hindi). There are thousands of such instances > in our country. There is need to educate our people, and that is possible, > if we know them correctly ourself. > > That has been my objective throughout > > PS: Garg ji, you are getting enough material for your writeups. > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College > University of Delhi, Delhi > India > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* M. Sundararaman <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected]; > [email protected] ; [email protected] > *Sent:* Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:57 AM > *Subject:* Re: [indiantreepix:17733] Re: Botanical names in Indian > Treetreepix and Flowers of India databases > > Dear and respected Dr Gurcharan, > You have kindly provided enough excuse for me not to undertake studying > about trees and Saplings and their Botanical Names .I am a B.E by Qln and > spread tree-planting culture within my limited means of understanding.My > Group of such "Unpads"in the "Friends of Nature" group(including > IT/commerce) raise Saplings of "Thespesia Populnea",Neem, Pongamia Glabra(or > Pinnata),cassia Fistula,Sterculia....in 1/2 Litre or one-litre milk-sachet > and distribute freely to provide more health and environment with the grace > of God,the Almighty.However, I would like to be guided whenever it becomes > necessary. > I really wonder how our Friend Shri Garg gets time and energy to moderate > his group while in office in an important Portfolio > i am attaching a write-up on my hobby which keeps me more healthy at 68 and > also the world healthy by more Oxygen and greenery.You can spread this hobby > for practice to your friends in the retired life.with regardsM.SUNDARARAMAN > > On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 08:37:18 +0530 wrote > > > Amit ji, Padmani ji and other nonbotany > colleagues > > All of us are bound by one thing: Love for > photography, love for nature and curiosity to know what plant I have > clicked. In > that no one is botanist or nonbotanist. All of us also want our plant to be > > identified correctly, and it is here that botanical names come in handy, > and > they are more meaningful when author name is attached. > > No garden lover would have miised the common garden > flower cornflower. We all also know that it is botanically Centaurea > cyanus, but > incidently it is also known as bachelor's button, blue bottle, ragged > robin. If > you search for blue bottle on the internet, you will reach Centaurea > cyanus, > Muscari neglectum, species of Gentiana or even an insect Calliphora > vomitoria. > Safeda for us in Delhi and elsewhere is Eucalyptus spp. butif ask any one > from Kashmir for a twig of Safeda, he/she will give you Populus spp. All > these > problems are not there when using botanical name.Each species will have > only one accepted scientific name, known all over the world. You can > extract all > common names for this plant, not vice versa as indicated above. > > And now the names with authors. I will just give > you just yesterday's example.Swagat ji (17625) uploaded a photograph which > I > identified as Atropa acuminata Royle., appropriately known as Indian > belladona, > a very important medicinal plant common in Himalayas. If you look for its > description in OlderIndian books you will find it identified as A. > belladona Linn.,the European bellodona L. which looks totally different > (see it on Flowers of India-often cultivated in gardens). So won't you like > to > know whether your plant is belladona (deadly-nightshade) or Indian > belladona. > Botanically it can be written (as per present practice inIndiantreepix and > Flowers of India): > > Atropa > acuminata > Syn: A. belladona > > What is your opinionis it > correct? > > or else this one isbetter: > > Atropa acuminata > Royle > Sy: A. belladona Clarke (non L.) > > Make your choice, shortcut and confusion or > clarity. > > Not to forget,many experts here in the group burn > midnight oil to see that your plants are correctly identified.A plant sent > by me at 1.30 in night was identified by Pankaj ji at 2.15 at night. We > canall see the efforts and contributions of Kenneth to see that our plants > are correctly identified. All have love for plants and passion > forphotography. > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >Associate Professor > >SGTB Khalsa > College > >University of Delhi, Delhi > >India > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Amit > Ray > To: J.M. Garg > Cc: Gurcharan Singh ; Pankaj > Kumar ; [email protected] > ; [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 6:46 > AM > Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:17715] Re: > Botanical names in Indian Treetreepix and Flowers of India databases > > >I concur with this opinion. Indiantreepix is tending to get a > bit too scientific for me. Please do not get me wrong. I am a lay person > with > love for photography and nature and that is what has drawn me to this group > > when Garg-ji started it. I do appreciate the help provided by the experts. > This is just my opinion - many probably will not agree. Thanks and regards > to > all of you. > > > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:43 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > > > Some feedback: > "Would it be expecting too much for the site to stay simple and > interesting for non-botanists? > > > >Or could the more specialised > and higher level discussions be put on a different link so as not to > intimidate the lay plant-lover? > > > >(Just a suggestion, which > I hope is taken impartially.) > > > >Padmini > Raghavan." > > > > > > 2009/9/5 Gurcharan Singh > > > Thanks Pankaj ji for information. We are students all > our life, and there is nothing better than learning few things. > > > > >Nothing to feel apologitic > > > > >Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >Associate Professor > >SGTB Khalsa > College > >University of Delhi, Delhi > >India > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > >----- Original > Message ----- From: "Pankaj Kumar" > >To: "J.M. Garg" > >Cc: ; > >Sent: Saturday, > September 05, 2009 6:35 PM > >Subject: [indiantreepix:17683] Re: Botanical > names in Indian Treetreepix and Flowers of India databases > > > > > > > > > > > >With due respects to Dr. Gurcharan Singh, > > > >For author > citations, according to ICBN, it is recommended that > >abbreviations > needs to be followed for authors using following > >reference > (RECOMMENDATION 46A, ICBN): > > > >Brummitt, R. K. and C. E. Powell. > 1992. Authors of plant names: a list > >of authors of scientific names > of plants, with recommended standard > >forms of their names, including > abbreviations. Royal Botanic Gardens, > >Kew. > > > >There are various > editions of this book, which keep updating > >information with the new > author names and their abbreviations. > > > >So, Carolus Linnaeus is > cited as 'L.' and not as 'Linn.' and > >Jean-Baptiste Lamarck is cited > as 'Lam.' and not as 'Lamk.'. > > > >Some of these abbreviations are > present at the following site: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_botanists_by_author_abbreviation > > > >The > latest code of ICBN: Vienna Code is available at the following > >link > for free: > >http://ibot.sav.sk/icbn/main.htm > > > >I am sending > this information just incase members want it to be > >standardized > properly, for use by both taxonomists as well > as > >non-botanists. > > > >Regards > > > >Pankaj > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > With regards, > >J.M.Garg ([email protected]) > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > >'Creating > awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > >Image Resource of thousands of my > images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora etc. (arranged alphabetically & > place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg > >For > learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- Indiantreepix: > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en > > > > > > > > > clear=all> > >-- > >Amit Ray > >25B Central Road > >Kolkata > 700032 > >India > >URL: http://wildlifeindia.freehostia.com > >Phone: > +91 033 24136034 > >Mobile: +919433715107 > >Email: > >1) [email protected] > >2) [email protected] > >3) [email protected] > >4) [email protected] > >5) [email protected] > >6) [email protected] > >7) [email protected] > >8) [email protected] > > > > > > > > M. 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