Yes Dr Singh by reunsing the word as deflected form of black, is not botanical terms in way perpetuating the racial mindset? Why can't it be called black punctate this would be neutral.
or nigr punctate. Adding 'o' is the problem. regards, Rashida. Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:21:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:19270] Re: Flemingia on Kaas again and again From: [email protected] To: [email protected] CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] On 9/22/09, rashida atthar <[email protected]> wrote: Precisely Aparna my contention is why was pure Latin not used and in this case retained as 'nigr' instead of adding 'o' and making it sound racial. You may feel fine with it but I do feel uncomfortable. regars, Rashida. Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:25:56 +0530 Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:19130] Re: Flemingia on Kaas again and again From: [email protected] To: [email protected] CC: [email protected]; [email protected] The original word nigr- is latin and means black. There is nothing to feel uncomfortable about use of a word which defines a colour. The word which gained derogatory meaning is spelt "n-e-g-r-o" and cums from the same latin route- nigr-/niger meaning black. Even that word was not considered bad till some people started using it as racial slur in America Also in botany it is not Greek and Latin used- but only words which are "latinised", (whether greek, sanskrit, marathi, swedish in origin) for naming plants and pure latin for describing them. aparna On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:30 PM, rashida atthar <[email protected]> wrote: Thank you Satish ji for these wonderul pics of the leaves. I hope the species you saw was the same as the one we saw. The dots appear like nigro- punctate - This is a very racial word, I feel very uncomfortable using this term, surprising in Botany where mainly Greek and Latin is used, that this term should find its way! regards, Rashida. Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:38:51 +0530 Subject: [indiantreepix:19130] Re: Flemingia on Kaas again and again From: [email protected] To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Important feedback prompted me to take a macro photo of the leaf of Flemingia from Kas.(20Sep2009) I didn't dare to uproot it as there were only few of these plants. I request all to comment whether the small spots seen in the magnified picture can be called as ....nigro punctate or not? I think newer technological gadget may be useful here against the handheld lens with which I might not have seen these. Cheers Dr Satish Phadke 2009/9/19 Aparna Watve <[email protected]> Dear All, Sometime back photo of Flemingia sp. on Kaas was circulated and I had ided it as Flemingia nilgheriensis based on BSI flora key as it has tuberous roots, which i have myself verified from that site as well as from nearby plateaus in Mahabaleshwar. But later people wrote it as F. gracilis and I did not contest it for lack of some references. However, I have gone through my data and the recent book by Mishra and Singh (2001) on Endemic and threatened flowering plants of Maharashtra and I am strongly of opinion that it is Flemingia nilgheriensis (Baker) Wight ex Cooke. Mishra and Singh mention differentiating characters F. gracilis : as leaves nigro-punctate beneath F. nilgheriensis: as not nigro-punctate beneath Those visiting Kaas at present can verify this. However, I find the character of tuberous roots much more dependable. The other localities they have mentioned are Kalsubai, gothane, Kaas, Mahabaleshwar and Phonda ghat. With the exception of Kalsubai, I have seen this plant in all the other localities mentioned and areas adjacent to it and hence feel certain that this plant is Flemingia nilgheriensis. Also knowing Dipak K. Mishra's identification work, I tend to trust his opinion. I am unable to comment on F. gracilis, never having seen its material. The only three localities mentioned by Mishra for it are Porcupine point (Matheran), Khandala, Lonavla (Sakharpathar plateau- which on way to Sahara amby valley project). and the original collection is by Bell from 1918 from Castle Rock (Karnataka). Those visiting these localities can try getting the material and identifying it again vs that on the above localities. It would also be necessary to read up the original and subsequent descriptions of both the species to search for more clues to confirm- I again miss having access to the good libraries and literature. Maybe those in ARI/BSI/BNHS can check up. To reiterate, with the present knowledge, my belief is that the kaas Flemingia is F. nilgheriensis. aparna -- Dr. Aparna Watve Asha Appt, Shanti Nagar, Ekata Colony Nr. BSNL tower, Akbar Ward, Seoni.480661 tel: 07692-228115 mobile: (0)9755667710 and 9822597288 still works -- http:// satishphadke.blogspot.com Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. Drag n’ drop -- Dr. Aparna Watve Dr. Aparna Watve Asha Appt, Shanti Nagar, Ekata Colony Nr. BSNL tower, Akbar Ward, Seoni.480661 tel: 07692-228115 mobile: (0)9755667710 and 9822597288 still works Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. Drag n’ drop Rashida ji Niger, nigra, nigrum, nigro are just deflections of word meaning black to suite different grammatic situation in botanical latin. We by using words like black man and white man have created racial twist. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Associate Professor, Department of Botany, SGTB Khalsa College University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018 Phone: 011025518297; Mobile: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ _________________________________________________________________ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
