Dear all,

In the illustration of F.leucopyrus, the branchlets ends in thorn. Thorn is
a modified branch or shoot. Whereas the 'spine' is a modified leaf or its
part or even stipules. I have seen F. leucopyrus, which is one of the
common members in a deciduous or semi evergreen forests in Kerala often
with thorns. Accidently I came across  the same species in evergreen
forests , where the thorns are absent and ends with leafy branches.  This
may not be a constant taxonomic character (It is my opinion only).

Santhosh


On 20 May 2013 16:43, surajit koley <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dear Satish Sir,
>
> Have you ever seen what happens to a tree or a shrub when its main trunk
> is cut at the very base?
>
> Regards,
> surajit
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Satish Phadke <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Attaching few my pictures of *Securinega leucopyrus* in flowering.
>> My analysis: A Shrub generally doesn't have a single trunk. Classic case
>> here. I have seen most of theses plants like this These branch like things
>> arising from main stem/trunk/trunks are long often drooping. They produce
>> *small *branches so probably called as branchlets in the said book. They
>> have few leaves and never long what you are asking for..... Why the tips
>> are thorny??? I can't answer that. Protection mechanism ...may be. Anyway
>> the artist who has made this illustration seems to be good one preparing it
>> so perfect.
>>
>> Dr Satish Phadke
>>
>>
>> On 20 May 2013 18:22, surajit koley <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations Satish Sir, long ago i have 
>>> admitted<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/96UvTLMoWjg/dtBAp5_uCk4J>your
>>>  power of observations.
>>>
>>> But, why should the branchlets always be lengthy? Shouldn't there be
>>> some short branchlets. just as have been illustrated in the bottom left of
>>> the plate in
>>> http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=150671?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> surajit
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Satish Phadke <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes the book says same what I believe about thorns.."They may be called
>>>> spinous tipped branchlets "
>>>> On May 20, 2013 12:31 PM, "surajitkoley" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sir,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for shrub or not,  Bengal Plants informs *Flueggea microcarpa* Bl.
>>>>> is a deciduous large shrub or tree weed.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for thorns in *F. leucopyrus* you can check Flora Indica -
>>>>> http://ia600607.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000967882&itemPath=%2F18%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000967882&server=ia600607.us.archive.org&page=n663_w292
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> surajit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 20 May 2013 11:03:59 UTC+5:30, D.S Rawat wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Duthie in his document Flora of Upper Gangetic Plains has also
>>>>>> mentioned these two species and differentiate them as-
>>>>>> Unarmed; leaves 1-3 inches long..........................**
>>>>>> ..............................**..............*F. microcarpa*
>>>>>> Spinous; leaves rarely exceeding 1 inch long
>>>>>> ..............................**......................*F.leucopyrus*
>>>>>> He has mentioned its (F.microcarpa) distribution in Bengal also.
>>>>>> Spines in F.leucopyrus are not distributed all along the branch but
>>>>>> slender angular branchlets ends in a sharp spine.
>>>>>> Both of these species are mentioned growing in Kumaon but I have seen
>>>>>> only F.microcarpa which is a small shrubby plant and resemble closely to
>>>>>> your plant.
>>>>>> DSRawat Pantnagar
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 11:45:41 PM UTC+5:30, surajitkoley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this is a shrub. But as i said earlier that villagers often
>>>>>>> cut or prune weeds, making it difficult to ascertain the status of a
>>>>>>> particular plant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to FoC it maybe *Flueggea virosa* (Roxburgh ex Willdenow)
>>>>>>> Voigt, Hort. Suburb. Calcutt. 152. 1845.
>>>>>>> According to The Plant List and FoP it might be *Flueggea virosa*subsp.
>>>>>>> *virosa*.
>>>>>>> Found no Bengali name.
>>>>>>> Fruits are soft and juicy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> surajit
>>>>>>>
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