Thanks, Neil ji. I think as per Dr. Archer's views earlier on Shreesh ji's picture, it should be *Elaeodendron glaucum* (Rottb.) Pers. Pl. correct me if I am inferring wrongly. 2009/10/8 Neil Soares <[email protected]>
> Hi Mr. Garg, > Sending a few recent photographs of Cassine glauca with flower buds. > Regards, > Neil. > > --- On *Thu, 10/8/09, J.M. Garg <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > Subject: [indiantreepix:20423] Re: Tree flowers for ID (130709 NSJ) > To: "Robert Archer" <[email protected]> > Cc: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]>, "Dr. Santhosh Kumar" > <[email protected]>, "Shireesh Dharap" <[email protected]>, "Neil > Soares" <[email protected]>, "narendra joshi" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 10:05 AM > > Further discussion in the matter alongwith a new attachment: > "Dear Robert , Garg ji , > The photo is from Wai, which near Mahabaleshwar in the central Western > Ghat hills of Maharashtra state. > I named it after identification from the 'Flora of Maharashtra state' > brought out by the botanical survey of India ; where they mention the > authority as : > Cassine glauca (Rottb.)O.Ktze.Rev.Gen.Pl.1:114.1891; Ding Hou in > Steenis; Flora Males. 1,6:286.1962. > Elaeodendron glaucum (Rottb.) Pers.Syn. Pl1:241. 1805. > I have no idea as to how to separate Cassine from Elaeodendron ; being > an amateur myself . > I leave the further search for the correct botanical name to you. > Regards, > > Shireesh." > > "Dear Shireesh ji > Thank you very much for your valuable reply. I assume at this stage that > this plant would be correctly called Elaeodendron glaucum (Rottb.) Pers. I > am however, curious to know wether there are possibly two species involved, > one with white and the other with red fruit. Or was that something that came > out of old botanical literature? Is it possible to send me more pictures of > the leaves and fruit? I would be very grateful. > With best wishes, Robert" > > "Attaching another photo : but I think these are buds, not fruit : I don't > remember; I shot it a long time ago! > The leaves are ovate with serrate margins." > > "Dear Shireesh ji > Thank you very much. It shows very nicely the conspicuous very slender > inflorescence (for Elaeodendron) and buds. > With best wishes, Robert" > > > > > 2009/10/6 Robert Archer > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > >> >> Dear Shireesh ji >> >> Thank you very much for the picture. Can you please tell me where it is >> from? >> >> I am not sure it is Cassine glauca. According to Kostermans, who wrote the >> partial revision of the genus, this plant is Cassine albens, with red fruit. >> The "real" Cassine glauca, occurs only in Sri Lanka and has white fruit. But >> his description of the flower, green flowers with white tips does conform to >> the flower in your picture. I need some help to understand what is going on >> here! Did Kostermans confused the species? >> >> Secondly, the names Elaeodendron and Cassine have been confused for >> centuries. However, my own research and DNA analysis proved that this plant >> is Elaeodendron. The genus Cassine with only 3 species, occur in South >> Africa and looks very different, both in flowers and fruit from >> Elaeodendron. >> >> I hope it is ok to send the reply by email. I have no internet at the >> moment. >> >> With best wishes >> >> Robert >> >> >>> "J.M. Garg" >> >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >> 2009/10/05 02:45 PM >>> >> A reply from Shireesh ji: >> "Garg ji, >> Indeed the new name is Cassine glauca ; previously known as Elaeodendron >> glaucum. >> Attaching one of my pics ." >> >> 2009/10/4 J.M. Garg >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> >> > Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise pl. >> > >> > Earlier relevant feedback: >> > "This is probably *Elaeodendron* *glaucum*, celastraceae" from Shriseesh >> > ji. >> > >> > I found *Elaeodendron glaucum* to be a syn. of *Cassine glauca* recently >> > discussed in the thread: >> > >> > >> http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/4ee224b7335d5cae >> > # >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > From: narendra joshi >> > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > Date: 2009/7/13 >> > Subject: [indiantreepix:14530] Tree flowers for ID (130709 NSJ) >> > To: Indiantrees >> > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > >> > >> > Dear all, >> > >> > A part of flowering tree from Darjiling is shown. 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