Many thanks Gurcharan ji for raising this discussion. Will get back to it from my end very soon. Regards. Dinesh
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps we may include in our discussion two species described in > Fascicles of Flora of India, No 11: Cucurbitaceae, by H. L. Chakravarty > Melothria perpusilla (Blume) Cogn. (plant under our discussion for which > Zehneria scabra has been used in our uploads) > Melothria mucronata (Blume) Cogn. > > I have gone through the description of two species but find little > differences > *M. mucronata* having 1-3 cm long petiole, broadly ovate leaves 5-8 cm, > as much broad, scabrous, corolla lobes ovate, acute, but important fruits > are ovoid-oblong 8-15 mm long, 6-9 mm broad, mucronate at apex. > var. *mucronata* with glabrous lower surface, female flower solitary and > var. *umbellata* Chakr. with lower surface hairy along nerves, female > flowers in axillary umbels........latter is now correctly considered as* > Zehneria > maysorensis* (Wight & Arn.), Arn, and there is a suggestion that var. > mucronata may also belong here. > > *M. perpusilla* having 2-5 cm long petiole, ovate-cordate leaves 5-9 cm > long, 4-7 cm broad, glabrous, corolla lobes ovate-oblong, subacute and > fruits globose, 8-10 mm in diam. > var. *perpusilla* with acute or mucronate leaf apex and var. *subtruncata > *Cogn. with acuminate leaf apex, base subtruncate. > > var. *perpusilla * is now correctly known as *Zehneria perpusilla (Blume) > *Bole & Almeida, but as reported in Renner and Pandey species does not > grown in India. > var. *subtruncata* Cogn. is now correctly known as *Zehneria bodinieri* (H. > Lév.) W.J.de <http://w.j.de/> Wilde & Duyfjes, > > It must be mentioned that *Zehneria hookeriana* Arn. is endemic to Tamil > Nadu and very close to Zehneria bodinieri and I would be happy if some one > gives me diagnosis of this species and how to differentiate two . > > So our collections having gone under Zehneria scabra in our websites may > be sought to be segregated into three species: Zehneria maysorensis with > beroadly ovate scabrous leaves, ovate corolla lobes and oblong 8-15 mm long > fruits, Z. bodinieri with ovate leaves longer than broad, glabrous leaves, > ovate-oblong corolla lobes and globose 8-10 mm fruits, and very similar Z. > hookeriana. > > I hope Dinesh ji, Prashant ji who have great collection Western Ghats and > South India, and other experts especially Vijayasankar ji, and great expert > Prof. Renner should be able to sort this out. > > I have a feeling that mixed upload by Dinesh ji from Kas and Mahabaleshwar > may have both these species, Mahableshwar photograph looking different from > Kas one. > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Zehneria/indiantreepix/cCGIzB2cd9A/lEwSmgknYegJ > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:27 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >> >> >> >> If so, efi page on Zehneria >> scabra<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cucurbitaceae/zehneria/zehneria-scabra> >> & >> threads in it requires a re-look. >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> Date: 19 June 2013 18:54 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:158045] Status of Zehneria scabra in India >> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Dinesh Valke < >> [email protected]>, Prashant Awale <[email protected]>, >> Vijayasankar Raman <[email protected]> >> >> >> Dear friends >> I have been somewhat confused about the status of Zehneria scabra, >> uploaded by several members including Dinesh ji, Prashant ji, and other >> members from Kas >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Zehneria/indiantreepix/cCGIzB2cd9A/lEwSmgknYegJ >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Zehneria/indiantreepix/cCGIzB2cd9A/lEwSmgknYegJ >> >> These confusions are often confounded by the absence of author >> citations. Strange as it may look Zehneria scabra (L.f.) Sond (Swedeish >> name *flikig pilreva), * and Melothria scabra Naudin (Swedish name >> *djungelgurka), >> * are two distinct species, often confused on net, as Melothria is an >> important species with good looking mini watermelon like fruits, and none >> look similar to our Kas plants. >> and as such names Cape zehneria, South African Zehneria won't apply to >> our Kas plant. >> >> My doubts are supported by recent nomenclature update by Renner and >> Pandey in 2013 >> They do not list Zehneria scabra for India, and Melothria perpusilla >> (Blume) Cogn. is cited as synonym of Zehneria perpusilla (Bl.) Bole and >> Almeida.......but as per citation this species does not grown in India. >> The other name often cited as synonym of Melothria perpusilla is >> correctly Zehneria hookeriana (Wight & Arn) Arn, is endemic to Tamil Nadu >> This leaves third name Zehneria maysorensis (Wight & Arn.) Arn. found in >> Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Maharashtra. >> Could it be our plant from Kas??? >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species*& >> eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged >> alphabetically & place-wise): >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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