Dear Gurcharan, The only thing I can contribute to this discussion is the original locations from where these name have been described; only by studying material from near the type localities can one infer whether there are 1, 2 or 3 species and which name applies to which collection:
1) Zehneria perpusilla (Blume) Bole & M.R. Almeida, J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc. 79(2): 315. 1983. = Melothria perpusilla (Blume) Cogn. in A. & C. DC., Monogr. Phan. 3: 607. 1881. =Cucurbita perpusilla Blume, Cat. Gew. Buitenzorg (Blume) 105. 1823. Lectotype: Java, Blume s.n. (L, barcode L0048312). 2) Zehneria mucronata (Blume) Miq., Flora van Nederlandsch India 1. 1856 = Melothria mucronata (Blume) Cogn. = Bryonia mucronata Blume -- Bijdr. Fl. Ned. Ind. 15: 923. 1826 = Pilogyne mucronata (Blume) W.J.de Wilde & Duyfjes -- Reinwardtia 12(5): 410. 2009 Type: Java, Blume s.n. (L, barcode xxx have to check). 3) Melothria bodinieri H.Lév., Fl. Kouy-Tcheou 122 (1914-15) = Pilogyne bodinieri (H.Lév.) W.J.de Wilde & Duyfjes, Reinwardtia 12(5): 410. 2009 = Zehneria bodinieri (H.Lév.) W.J.de Wilde & Duyfjes, Thai Forest Bull., Bot. 32: 17. 2004 Lectotype designated by De Wilde & Duyfjes (2004b): China, Guangzhou, Kouyan, Bodinier 1957 (E, P). Susanne Renner On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh wrote: Perhaps we may include in our discussion two species described in Fascicles of Flora of India, No 11: Cucurbitaceae, by H. L. Chakravarty Melothria perpusilla (Blume) Cogn. (plant under our discussion for which Zehneria scabra has been used in our uploads) Melothria mucronata (Blume) Cogn. I have gone through the description of two species but find little differences M. mucronata having 1-3 cm long petiole, broadly ovate leaves 5-8 cm, as much broad, scabrous, corolla lobes ovate, acute, but important fruits are ovoid-oblong 8-15 mm long, 6-9 mm broad, mucronate at apex. var. mucronata with glabrous lower surface, female flower solitary and var. umbellata Chakr. with lower surface hairy along nerves, female flowers in axillary umbels........latter is now correctly considered as Zehneria maysorensis (Wight & Arn.), Arn, and there is a suggestion that var. mucronata may also belong here. M. perpusilla having 2-5 cm long petiole, ovate-cordate leaves 5-9 cm long, 4-7 cm broad, glabrous, corolla lobes ovate-oblong, subacute and fruits globose, 8-10 mm in diam. var. perpusilla with acute or mucronate leaf apex and var. subtruncata Cogn. with acuminate leaf apex, base subtruncate. var. perpusilla is now correctly known as Zehneria perpusilla (Blume) Bole & Almeida, but as reported in Renner and Pandey species does not grown in India. var. subtruncata Cogn. is now correctly known as Zehneria bodinieri (H. Lév.) W.J.de Wilde & Duyfjes, It must be mentioned that Zehneria hookeriana Arn. is endemic to Tamil Nadu and very close to Zehneria bodinieri and I would be happy if some one gives me diagnosis of this species and how to differentiate two . So our collections having gone under Zehneria scabra in our websites may be sought to be segregated into three species: Zehneria maysorensis with beroadly ovate scabrous leaves, ovate corolla lobes and oblong 8-15 mm long fruits, Z. bodinieri with ovate leaves longer than broad, glabrous leaves, ovate-oblong corolla lobes and globose 8-10 mm fruits, and very similar Z. hookeriana. I hope Dinesh ji, Prashant ji who have great collection Western Ghats and South India, and other experts especially Vijayasankar ji, and great expert Prof. Renner should be able to sort this out. I have a feeling that mixed upload by Dinesh ji from Kas and Mahabaleshwar may have both these species, Mahableshwar photograph looking different from Kas one. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Zehneria/indiantreepix/cCGIzB2cd9A/lEwSmgknYegJ Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:27 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. If so, efi page on Zehneria scabra & threads in it requires a re-look. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> Date: 19 June 2013 18:54 Subject: [efloraofindia:158045] Status of Zehneria scabra in India To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>, Prashant Awale <[email protected]>, Vijayasankar Raman <[email protected]> Dear friends I have been somewhat confused about the status of Zehneria scabra, uploaded by several members including Dinesh ji, Prashant ji, and other members from Kas https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Zehneria/indiantreepix/cCGIzB2cd9A/lEwSmgknYegJ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Zehneria/indiantreepix/cCGIzB2cd9A/lEwSmgknYegJ These confusions are often confounded by the absence of author citations. Strange as it may look Zehneria scabra (L.f.) Sond (Swedeish name flikig pilreva), and Melothria scabra Naudin (Swedish name djungelgurka), are two distinct species, often confused on net, as Melothria is an important species with good looking mini watermelon like fruits, and none look similar to our Kas plants. and as such names Cape zehneria, South African Zehneria won't apply to our Kas plant. My doubts are supported by recent nomenclature update by Renner and Pandey in 2013 They do not list Zehneria scabra for India, and Melothria perpusilla (Blume) Cogn. is cited as synonym of Zehneria perpusilla (Bl.) Bole and Almeida.......but as per citation this species does not grown in India. The other name often cited as synonym of Melothria perpusilla is correctly Zehneria hookeriana (Wight & Arn) Arn, is endemic to Tamil Nadu This leaves third name Zehneria maysorensis (Wight & Arn.) Arn. found in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Maharashtra. 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