In a way, both Santhan ji and Neil ji are right! They talk about right plants but the nomenclature is confusing.
Santhan ji's plant is *Embelia aurantiaca*, formerly E. basaal (leaves subfleshy, sour, nerves indistinct) as per Flora of Ceylon [it is E. drupacea as per The Plant List]. Neil ji's plant is *E. tsjeriam-cottam* (leaves not fleshy, not sour, nerves prominent often purplish beneath). Here is my note from an another thread: "The nomenclature of this group *is* confusing..... Few authors consider *Embelia basaal* auct. non Roem. & Schult. and *E. tsjeriam-cottam* (Roem. & Schult.) DC. as one and the same. However, Wadhwa & Sumithraarachchi (in Revised Handbook to the Flora of Ceylon-vol 13) have tried to clear the confusion by making a new combination for the first species as *Embelia aurantiaca* (Wall.) Wadhwa. They have also provided a detailed note on the nomenclature issue of this complex. But, for some (unpublished?) reason, this name is now listed as synonym of* Embelia* *drupacea* (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida and this name has still not been recognized by GRIN." The treatments of Embelia in GRIN are seemingly based on old literature hence may not be up-to-date. Regards Vijayasankar ------------------------------------------------------------------- Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D. National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:11 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan <[email protected]> > Date: 26 June 2014 13:56 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:191262] Embelia basaal (Roem. & Schult.) A. DC > ; SAN June 07 > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > > > Dear Gargji I saw the images of Mr. Neil, They all Embelia tsjeriam cottam > only. In Embelia basal leaves are coriaceous, veins indistinct whereas in > E. tsjeriam-cottam leaf blade is membranous, veins distinct.Flowers > tetramerous in E. basal, it is pentamerous in E. tsjeriam- cottam. > Regards > Dr. Santhan > > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 12:29 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >> >> Some earlier relevant feedback: >> This does not look like Wavding [Embelia basaal] to me. Please >> check. Some of my photographs of this are available at these links : >> Google Groups >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Embelia$20basaal$20Neil$20Soares%7Csort:relevance/indiantreepix/Mqgk7ff9Csc/C7o4RmyTlzIJ> >> Google Groups >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Embelia$20basaal$20Neil$20Soares%7Csort:relevance/indiantreepix/JPj7EjEv3B4/i6bhVayR1FUJ> >> Will send photographs of the fruit for comparison later if required. >> >> With regards, >> Neil Soares. >> >> My photographs of Wavding fruiting. They were taken on my property at >> Shahapur. >> With regards, >> Neil Soares. >> >> >> >> Found a few more photographs. >> With regards, >> Neil Soares >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan <[email protected]> >> Date: 17 June 2014 13:36 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:191262] Embelia basaal (Roem. & Schult.) A. DC ; >> SAN June 07 >> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >> >> >> *Embelia basaal (Roem. & Schult.) A. 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