Sonchus asper

Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Thank you Ushadi for such a detailed description. I will get to the
> plant tomorrow and check for the details you suggested.
> Regards,
> Ashwini
>
> On 10-Dec-2014, at 6:10 am, Ushadi Micromini <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Looks like the prickly lettuce
>
>
> *Lactula sp*
> has milky sap that sticky
>
> if lactula:
> differentials include L. serriola  and L. canadensis
>
> close ups of the basal leaves, flattened
> stem if prickly or not
> and diameter of the flower after they open
>
> and the full plant in profile
>
> would help you differentiate lactulas
>
> ====
> if not lactula... best way to know is to see if the stem is hollow or not
> Dandelions have hollow stems, as do the sonchus
> *sonchus*  sow thistle also have yellow flowers on branched stem , but
> the stem is hollow.
> Lactula does not..
> ===
> if neither of these features
> then
> autumn hawkbit...
> an eastern european  weed
> smooth basal leaves in description but pictures do not tally with some pic
> on the net
> ====
>
> difficulty arises with autumn when leaves start curling up
> some leaves and stem ...go red
> junk accumulates...
>
> most descriptions are for "weed"s growing in fields or grassy lands
>
> you have mountainous rocky terrain... may make for biological differences..
> and a large tourist and immigrant population, gods only knows what they
> knowingly or unknowingly in their luggage, shoes etc carried in to
> Dharamshala over the decades..
>
> if not them, then the caravans..
>
> *but a careful following of a key would help...*
> better than jumping to a conclusion...
>
>  heres a key  to this difficulty...
> read it then take more pictures... of several plants
>
>
>
> http://www.wildlifebcn.org/sites/bcnp.live.wt.precedenthost.co.uk/files/files/yellow%20composites%20key_po%20v2_1.pdf
>
>
> good luck
>
> usha di
>
> if someone from an indian univeristy has studied this group they would
> know it in a jiffy.. and can tell us why they think what they say it is...
> that would make it simpler... but I did not find any names... but that's
> not here nor there.  Somebody in our membership will know the plant or a
> professor who knows..
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]
> > wrote:
>
>> This one was growing next to the Flax on the wall. It's leaves are
>> characteristic. If I am not mistaken it has a yellow dandelion like flower.
>> Please advise.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Ashwini
>>
>> <IMG_1564_09Dec14.jpg><IMG_1566_09Dec14.jpg><IMG_1567_09Dec14.jpg>
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