Sonchus asper  ?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sonchus asper
>
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> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]
> > wrote:
>
>> Thank you Ushadi for such a detailed description. I will get to the
>> plant tomorrow and check for the details you suggested.
>> Regards,
>> Ashwini
>>
>> On 10-Dec-2014, at 6:10 am, Ushadi Micromini <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the prickly lettuce
>>
>>
>> *Lactula sp*
>> has milky sap that sticky
>>
>> if lactula:
>> differentials include L. serriola  and L. canadensis
>>
>> close ups of the basal leaves, flattened
>> stem if prickly or not
>> and diameter of the flower after they open
>>
>> and the full plant in profile
>>
>> would help you differentiate lactulas
>>
>> ====
>> if not lactula... best way to know is to see if the stem is hollow or not
>> Dandelions have hollow stems, as do the sonchus
>> *sonchus*  sow thistle also have yellow flowers on branched stem , but
>> the stem is hollow.
>> Lactula does not..
>> ===
>> if neither of these features
>> then
>> autumn hawkbit...
>> an eastern european  weed
>> smooth basal leaves in description but pictures do not tally with some
>> pic on the net
>> ====
>>
>> difficulty arises with autumn when leaves start curling up
>> some leaves and stem ...go red
>> junk accumulates...
>>
>> most descriptions are for "weed"s growing in fields or grassy lands
>>
>> you have mountainous rocky terrain... may make for biological
>> differences..
>> and a large tourist and immigrant population, gods only knows what they
>> knowingly or unknowingly in their luggage, shoes etc carried in to
>> Dharamshala over the decades..
>>
>> if not them, then the caravans..
>>
>> *but a careful following of a key would help...*
>> better than jumping to a conclusion...
>>
>>  heres a key  to this difficulty...
>> read it then take more pictures... of several plants
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.wildlifebcn.org/sites/bcnp.live.wt.precedenthost.co.uk/files/files/yellow%20composites%20key_po%20v2_1.pdf
>>
>>
>> good luck
>>
>> usha di
>>
>> if someone from an indian univeristy has studied this group they would
>> know it in a jiffy.. and can tell us why they think what they say it is...
>> that would make it simpler... but I did not find any names... but that's
>> not here nor there.  Somebody in our membership will know the plant or a
>> professor who knows..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> This one was growing next to the Flax on the wall. It's leaves are
>>> characteristic. If I am not mistaken it has a yellow dandelion like flower.
>>> Please advise.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Ashwini
>>>
>>> <IMG_1564_09Dec14.jpg><IMG_1566_09Dec14.jpg><IMG_1567_09Dec14.jpg>
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