Thank you very much Viplav ji for this response. Local names for plants in South Kanara district by default would be in Kannada, often shared by Tulu, unless has its own distinct name(s). South Kanara district is the native place of Tulu community. A resource like dictionary is a great help to reach to exact words.
I have downloaded the "Tulu-English Dictionary" ... though bit slow in rendering pages and search. It is certainly a great help in checking transcribed Kannada / Tulu words. Yes, could locate ಚಲ್ಳಮರ challamara - meaning, monkey-fruit <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_fruit> tree. ಚಲ್ಳಮರ does not yield any results on search. BUT, since it has an entry in dictionary, I would place confidence on using the name holedachalla appearing in ENVIS/FRLHT <http://envis.frlht.org/plant_details.php?disp_id=1279&parname=0> for *L.speciosa*. ಹೊಳೆ hole = river ದ da = pertaining ಚಲ್ಳ challa = some part (most probably fruit) of monkey-fruit tree thus ಹೊಳೆದಚಲ್ಳ holedachalla Will include the name for *L. speciosa* for Kannada. Thank you very much Viplav ji for the efforts; great help to me. Regards. Dinesh On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:55 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The introduction of the book (by Shetty et al.) begins with a description > of Tulu Nadu. BV Shetty, a remarkable botanist, is no more. I was given > this book last year by his niece, she had spoken about several Tulu names > in it during conversation and hence the query. I can only surmise that the > book contains a mix of local names in the prevalent regional languages, the > dominant being Tulu. An explicit mention about the language of the local > names would have been ideal. > > Found an old "Tulu-English Dictionary" (1886) by Rev. A. Männer and you > might be interested in downloading it from this hyperlink > <https://ia902707.us.archive.org/9/items/tuluenglishengli01mnuoft/tuluenglishengli01mnuoft.pdf>. > It contains "the names of about 600 plants" with the following prefatory > remark: "About half are taken from 'Five Hundred Indian Plants' by C. > Stolz, and the others have been obtained in other ways, careful > investigation being required in some cases." [pp. v-vi]. > > Have attached the screenshots of some relevant portions. There are some > entries on challa / challamara / chalimara [pp. 223-224] but they don't > seem to match with *L. speciosa*. > > Thanks for your response and best wishes, Viplav > > El 15 de diciembre de 2014, 23:32, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > escribió: > > >> Thanks very much Viplav ji for this feed. >> >> ENVIS / FRLHT >> <http://envis.frlht.org/plant_details.php?disp_id=1278&parname=0> does >> mention transcribed Kannada names: challa, chella. >> I tried all sorts of permutation / combination of cha / che + lla in >> Kannad script - but was not able to get satisfactory results in Kannad site >> nor in the dictionaries that I refer - Kannada Kasturi and Rev. Ferdinand >> Kittel's. >> >> Since names in Tulu are not mentioned explicitly, I would consider them >> to be Kannarese. >> >> ನಂದಿ nandi in Kittel >> <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=HBUsaxC61mkC&pg=PA839&lpg=PA839&dq=nandi+Lagerstroemia+Kittel&source=bl&ots=wAvLEnhpys&sig=jiJ8GpNcRxz1uPeDWsykb5oaYEc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QB6PVPLgEcv98AXu54HgDw&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=nandi%20Lagerstroemia%20Kittel&f=false>'s >> dictionary seems to be a generic name (with prefixed descriptors) given to >> wood of various trees including couple of *Lagerstroemia* sp. ( >> *microcarpa* and *parviflora*). >> >> ENVIS / FRLHT >> <http://envis.frlht.org/plant_details.php?disp_id=4695&parname=0> for *L. >> reginae* (syn of *L. speciosa*) lists *nandi*. I would go with including >> this "nandi" in my notes. >> Thank you very much Viplav ji. >> >> I will re look (search) and revert if I get any lead on challa / chella >> with help from Kannad folks. >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:15 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear Dinesh ji, >>> >>> In the book "Plant Resources of Western Ghats and Lowlands of Dakshina >>> Kannada and Udupi District" (by BV Shetty, KM Kaveriappa & KG Bhat), there >>> are two more names for this tree - "chella" and "nandi" - in addition to >>> "hole daasavala". Would these be the Tulu names of this tree? They are >>> mentioned simply as "local names" in the book. >>> >>> Best wishes, Viplav >>> >>> El 12 de diciembre de 2014, 21:54, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> escribió: >>> >>>> >>>> via Species >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-species> > L >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-species/l> > >>>> Lagerstroemia speciosa (L.) Pers. ... *family*: Lythraceae >>>> [image: Lagerstroemia speciosa (L.) Pers.] >>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F2749722738&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzeNLLhMQe8H_c0xW089OFNK8q8H-Q> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: Flowers of India] >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FQueen%2520Crape%2520Myrtle.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcoKLxMNI2_FOQ6G6QKkCQo9DMeRA> >>>> [image: Discussions at efloraofindia] >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/indiantreepix/Lagerstroemia%20speciosa> >>>> [image: more views in flickr] >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fsearch%2F%3Fq%3DLagerstroemiaspeciosa%26m%3Dtags%26z%3Dm&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfW9iRT9GB6tLeq4zeCiquq-hFh1w> >>>> [image: more views on Google Earth] >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.flickr.com%2Fservices%2Ffeeds%2Fgeo%2Findia%2F%26tags%3DLagerstroemiaspeciosa%26format%3Dkml_nl&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzeEfrvDV21IJ2HDGeCWohQ66lSB5g> >>>> >>>> >>>> *la-ger-STROO-mee-uh* -- named for Magnus von Lagerström, Swedish >>>> naturalist... Dave's Botanary >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdavesgarden.com%2Fguides%2Fbotanary%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearch_text%3DLagerstroemia&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEze51vwldCCFABtyPkAfkxLktBYpFg> >>>> *spee-see-OH-suh* -- showy or spectacular ... Dave's Botanary >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdavesgarden.com%2Fguides%2Fbotanary%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearch_text%3Dspeciosa&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcA9qy2Ya5GSQuEbHahjU5aXbWePA> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *commonly known as*: giant crape-myrtle >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/english/giant-crape-myrtle> >>>> , pride of India >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/english/pride-of-india> >>>> , queen's crape-myrtle >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/english/giant-crape-myrtle> >>>> , queen's flower >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/english/queen-s-flower> >>>> • *Assamese*: আজাৰ ajara >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/assamese/ajara-ajara> >>>> • *Bengali*: জারুল jarul >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/bengali/jarula-jarul> >>>> • *Gujarati*: જારૂલ jarul >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/gujarati/jarula-jarul> >>>> , મોટો ભોંડારો moto bhondaro >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/gujarati/moto-bhondaro-moto-bhondaro> >>>> , તામન taman >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/gujarati/tamana-taman> >>>> • *Hindi*: जारल jaral >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/hindi/jarala-jaral> >>>> , जरुल jarul >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/hindi/jarula-jarul> >>>> • *Kannada*: ಹೊಳೆ ದಾಸವಾಳ hole dasavala >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/kannada/hole-dasavala-hole-dasavala> >>>> , ಮರುವ maruva >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/kannada/maruva-maruva> >>>> • *Konkani*: सोटुलारी sotulari >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/konkani/sotulari-sotulari> >>>> • *Malayalam*: അടന്പു adambu >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/malayalam/atanpu-adambu> >>>> , മണിമരുത് manimaruth >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/malayalam/manimarut-manimaruth> >>>> , പൂമരുത് puumaruth >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/malayalam/pumarut-puumaruth> >>>> • *Manipuri*:jarol >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/manipuri/jarol> >>>> • *Marathi*: जारूळ jarul >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/marathi/jarula-jarul> >>>> , मोठा बोंडारा motha bondara >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/marathi/motha-bondara-motha-bondara> >>>> , ताम्हण tamhan >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/marathi/tamhana-tamhan> >>>> • *Mizo*: chawn-pui >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/mizo/chawn-pui> >>>> , thla-do >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/mizo/thla-do> >>>> • *Tamil*: கதலி kadali >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/tamil/katali-kadali> >>>> , பூமருது pu-marutu >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/tamil/pumarutu-pu-marutu> >>>> • *Telugu*: సొగసులచెట్టు sogasulachettu >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/telugu/sogasulacettu-sogasulachettu> >>>> • *Urdu*: جرول jarul >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/urdu/jarul> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The flower of "Pride of India" is the *State Flower >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/home/state-flowers>* >>>> of *Maharashtra* (tamhan, Marathi: ताम्हण). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *botanical names*: *Lagerstroemia speciosa* (L.) 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