Didi, I also have my own threads, several, where Gurcharan Sir discussed the TPL issue.
Yes, species identified in FBI, across families, later have been corrected many a times. Recently we saw that in solanaceae fortnight. I know one can't depend much on old, outdated things. I know it gives the basic. When I try to ID a plant I search for available labelled/identified images. The problem arises when I find very similar looking images having different ID tags. The matter complicates when I find the identification had been made/suggested/done by our veteran respected seniors, senior means I am telling about membership, in this group. In that case I can only provide what I find in present days' internet, and also in century old lit. I only copy what I find. Just as I copied in this thread "But, as per FBI *A. intrusa* Blume is distributed in Singapore, Java". In the following mail I only stated - "But, there are problems, I did search for presence of the species in India. Didn't find enough info. One site which covers South extensively is silent http://indiabiodiversity.org/observation/show/360861 and refers FoI <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Common%20Asystasia.html>. *Asystasia intrusa* Bl. have different leaves in http://www.iiim.res.in/herbarium/acanthaceae/asystasia_intrusa.htm. There is another *A. intrusa* Nees (ref. FBI) of which I do not have any info." I do not think I did anything wrong to state the above. Thank you Regards surajit On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Ushadi Micromini < [email protected]> wrote: > Surajit > one thing at a time > > this group is to get flowers pictures from all possible site/geographical > in india and may even be abroad ... in pictures and id them > > statistics etc must be provided by people at BSI whose purview it is to do > the research and provide data.. > > most of us are not botanists though we /I would love to get citations > and properly identified and acknowledged copyrighted material... but > changes happen slowly. > > For definite id ... you may be right the century old books like FBI may > be a solid way to go..to start with , to use as a base, but ... but things > change, plants change > people change > > > look at our own history... we changed from homo erectus to homo sapiens > may be??? > if someone was taking pictures then and writing FBI like books 100,000 > years ago ...they would have had a hard time fixing our diagnosis from old > literature about homo erectus .. when they found features of homo sapiens > creeping in... > and neanderthals and ancestors of modern homo sapiens migrating... into > areas where they were not supposed to be... > > your use and dependence on FBI is something like that ... often confusion > esp in sites or presence// absence that you raise ... may be FBI is best > for the description of the species they identified then... but their > incidence and presence or absence of XY or Z does not mean anything to > me... it only means that they did not see any XY or Z then or nobody > reported them then or they (XY or Z) really migrated to present positions > in recent times... > > and that just as we as a group have our own limitations, the FBI guys had > their own limitations... > > I hope I have explained my position > > And Gurcharanji raisies issues of mis-id even with plant list people etc > look up some old thread where he has talked of that, may be it was before > you joined > > be well > > usha di > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:18 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, Didi, we have so many highest ranks, in this group, dedicated to our >> flora world. >> Yet we have so many mis-identifications which in turns lead to further >> mis-id. >> Just check >> http://www.fao.org/ag/agp/AGPC/doc/gallery/pictures/asysint/asysint.htm >> against >> FoI. >> I prefer to depend on century old lit than to depend on websites, unless >> those are Govt. or Edu. or related. Even then sites need to be updated >> regularly which cannot be ascertain only by browsing. Govt., Edu, Org, are >> all people like us. >> What about our eFI, Garg Sir's project? Majority members do not even >> bother to maintain author citations. Very few are willing to use >> statistics. You yourself have raised the issues in several threads. >> Do you think this is the way to science? >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Surajit >>> not finding much or any info about plants in india in this century or >>> recently is one reason why Dinesh Gargji Satish Phadke et al and some >>> others may be even Neil Soare joined together to start this google group... >>> I think there is a thread or two somewhere about the history of this >>> group, may be DInesh or Satish phadke remembers and can track it.. >>> >>> for many years before that on the net there were pictures by JM Garg if >>> I searche d for anything related to trees etc in Kolkata or india at the >>> wiki... all those pictures were from OWN WORK JM GARG... >>> so imaginre my delight when I discovered this group made by JM Garg.ad >>> >>> Also with the same objective Tabish and Thingam started the flowers of >>> India site >>> >>> >>> hence the presence though growing and large now yet in its infancy >>> and the professors and folks at BSI and all those botanical gardens in >>> India sit on a treasure trove yet do not write up show pics etc on the >>> net... >>> continuing the paucity, making it more pronounced... >>> >>> Hence we treasure people like Balkar Nidhgan Dr Sabu Ritesh Pankaj and >>> Gurcharanji who are in the academics studying/teaching botany and yet >>> give this site so much of their time... >>> >>> usha di >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:00 AM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Didi, >>>> I agree with you. FBI is more than century old. But, there are >>>> problems, I did search for presence of the species in India. Didn't find >>>> enough info. One site which covers South extensively is silent >>>> http://indiabiodiversity.org/observation/show/360861 and refers FoI >>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Common%20Asystasia.html>. >>>> *Asystasia intrusa* Bl. have different leaves in >>>> http://www.iiim.res.in/herbarium/acanthaceae/asystasia_intrusa.htm. >>>> There is another *A. intrusa* Nees (ref. FBI) of which I do not have >>>> any info. >>>> >>>> The most important is that this thread doesn't tell me yet if the >>>> posted plant is wild or cultivated. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> when was the fbi vol published? SUrajit >>>>> >>>>> old i know >>>>> >>>>> much movement in plants and animals since then >>>>> no reason why we cant see any of those plants in peninsular India or >>>>> the Himalayas and gangetic plains , as far as I can see >>>>> what with mass movements of people and animals planes ship etc and >>>>> monsoon currents of the oceans >>>>> >>>>> I wont go with FBI of old publication as gospel truth for at least >>>>> distributionof plants, if i were you >>>>> >>>>> Usha di >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:14 AM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Please check for *Asystasia*, one such has been identified as - >>>>>> >>>>>> - https://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/Asystasia_intrusa.htm >>>>>> - http://www.flickriver.com/photos/shubhada_nikharge/4326685851/ >>>>>> - >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.phytoimages.siu.edu/cgi-bin/dol/dol_terminal.pl?taxon_name=Asystasia_intrusa&rank=binomial >>>>>> >>>>>> But, as per FBI *A. intrusa* Blume is distributed in Singapore, Java >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 9:00 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ruellia >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/ruellia> >>>>>>> species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published >>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever >>>>>>> available) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: Narendra Joshi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: 24 March 2015 at 18:03 >>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:219036] Acanthaceae Fortnight:: Ruellia Sp >>>>>>> ?? for ID-NSJ-MAR-29 >>>>>>> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ruellia sp for ID. 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