I am relaxed Didi, I only object to your view over my dependence on old lit. I agree old is old,,,,, I agree net is half truth, but what can I do? If I had other flora I would had refer that. If I had BSI I would had dumped all old lit. Our group is not able to even provide some simple info <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/tTBo8k_1Tww/XRLy9E-ocGYJ>. Yet I am spending hours to find zero-error ID of certain complicated taxa across genera. So little resources, so little info on uploaded plant, so complicated and jumbled up info in net & lit .... yet I am trying continuously to prove that only my suggestion is correct! I am angry with myself Didi, none other. Sometimes I think now enough is enough, this is not the proper way, nothing can be done this way, unnecessarily giving birth to misunderstanding, arguments, hurting ego...etc.
Yes, let it be *Asystasia* complex only. Thank you Regards surajit On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:04 AM, Ushadi Micromini < [email protected]> wrote: > > > SUrajit > No you definitely did not do any thing wrong, > > did i say that? > > your reporting is just that .. honest mirroring of what you find > > why would any one say that's wrong? why would I ? > > > i only pointed out that too much reliance on the net (which is in its > infancy yet, the information is still not very mature and too many egos > involve across the oceans that many things donot get resolved...) or the > old old literature is to be taken with some idea that things change... > > > I belong to a way of thinking ... that if a disease has not been > described fully , at least it falls between the cracks where it has no > feature 100 percent falling in place with hitherto described pathology... > may be we are dealing whit something new or variant or ... > and lets name it ourselves and let the stuff fall where it may ... after a > few more examples // cases // patients and reporting it may find a place in > newer order of things... and a newer classification would be written... > > progress > > may be your questioning these Ayastasia falls in that category... who > knows... > > *so relax* > > lets see what develops in next couple of years... now that many many > people have digital cameras and there are forums like ours ...many more in > smaller way... there may be a resolution of your question yet... > > > and it only a weedy flower... so dont loose your peace over it > > its not earth shaking anticancer or anti parkinson's or anti polio drug > discovery or a new regulatory T cells that can save the transplanted kidney > or the heart from rejection... tight id control and criteria are needed > there ... not in some weed... > enough already > > goodnite > > usha di > > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:29 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Didi, >> >> I also have my own threads, several, where Gurcharan Sir discussed the >> TPL issue. >> >> Yes, species identified in FBI, across families, later have been >> corrected many a times. Recently we saw that in solanaceae fortnight. >> I know one can't depend much on old, outdated things. I know it gives the >> basic. >> >> When I try to ID a plant I search for available labelled/identified >> images. The problem arises when I find very similar looking images having >> different ID tags. The matter complicates when I find the identification >> had been made/suggested/done by our veteran respected seniors, senior means >> I am telling about membership, in this group. >> >> In that case I can only provide what I find in present days' internet, >> and also in century old lit. I only copy what I find. Just as I copied in >> this thread "But, as per FBI *A. intrusa* Blume is distributed in >> Singapore, Java". In the following mail I only stated - "But, there are >> problems, I did search for presence of the species in India. Didn't find >> enough info. One site which covers South extensively is silent >> http://indiabiodiversity.org/observation/show/360861 and refers FoI >> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Common%20Asystasia.html>. >> *Asystasia >> intrusa* Bl. have different leaves in >> http://www.iiim.res.in/herbarium/acanthaceae/asystasia_intrusa.htm. >> There is another *A. intrusa* Nees (ref. FBI) of which I do not have any >> info." >> >> I do not think I did anything wrong to state the above. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Surajit >>> one thing at a time >>> >>> this group is to get flowers pictures from all possible >>> site/geographical in india and may even be abroad ... in pictures and id >>> them >>> >>> statistics etc must be provided by people at BSI whose purview it is to >>> do the research and provide data.. >>> >>> most of us are not botanists though we /I would love to get citations >>> and properly identified and acknowledged copyrighted material... but >>> changes happen slowly. >>> >>> For definite id ... you may be right the century old books like FBI >>> may be a solid way to go..to start with , to use as a base, but ... but >>> things change, plants change >>> people change >>> >>> >>> look at our own history... we changed from homo erectus to homo sapiens >>> may be??? >>> if someone was taking pictures then and writing FBI like books 100,000 >>> years ago ...they would have had a hard time fixing our diagnosis from old >>> literature about homo erectus .. when they found features of homo sapiens >>> creeping in... >>> and neanderthals and ancestors of modern homo sapiens migrating... into >>> areas where they were not supposed to be... >>> >>> your use and dependence on FBI is something like that ... often >>> confusion esp in sites or presence// absence that you raise ... may be FBI >>> is best for the description of the species they identified then... but >>> their incidence and presence or absence of XY or Z does not mean anything >>> to me... it only means that they did not see any XY or Z then or nobody >>> reported them then or they (XY or Z) really migrated to present positions >>> in recent times... >>> >>> and that just as we as a group have our own limitations, the FBI guys >>> had their own limitations... >>> >>> I hope I have explained my position >>> >>> And Gurcharanji raisies issues of mis-id even with plant list people >>> etc look up some old thread where he has talked of that, may be it was >>> before you joined >>> >>> be well >>> >>> usha di >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:18 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, Didi, we have so many highest ranks, in this group, dedicated to >>>> our flora world. >>>> Yet we have so many mis-identifications which in turns lead to further >>>> mis-id. >>>> Just check >>>> http://www.fao.org/ag/agp/AGPC/doc/gallery/pictures/asysint/asysint.htm >>>> against >>>> FoI. >>>> I prefer to depend on century old lit than to depend on websites, >>>> unless those are Govt. or Edu. or related. Even then sites need to be >>>> updated regularly which cannot be ascertain only by browsing. Govt., Edu, >>>> Org, are all people like us. >>>> What about our eFI, Garg Sir's project? Majority members do not even >>>> bother to maintain author citations. Very few are willing to use >>>> statistics. You yourself have raised the issues in several threads. >>>> Do you think this is the way to science? >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Surajit >>>>> not finding much or any info about plants in india in this century or >>>>> recently is one reason why Dinesh Gargji Satish Phadke et al and some >>>>> others may be even Neil Soare joined together to start this google >>>>> group... >>>>> I think there is a thread or two somewhere about the history of this >>>>> group, may be DInesh or Satish phadke remembers and can track it.. >>>>> >>>>> for many years before that on the net there were pictures by JM Garg >>>>> if I searche d for anything related to trees etc in Kolkata or india at >>>>> the wiki... all those pictures were from OWN WORK JM GARG... >>>>> so imaginre my delight when I discovered this group made by JM Garg.ad >>>>> >>>>> Also with the same objective Tabish and Thingam started the flowers >>>>> of India site >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> hence the presence though growing and large now yet in its infancy >>>>> and the professors and folks at BSI and all those botanical gardens in >>>>> India sit on a treasure trove yet do not write up show pics etc on the >>>>> net... >>>>> continuing the paucity, making it more pronounced... >>>>> >>>>> Hence we treasure people like Balkar Nidhgan Dr Sabu Ritesh Pankaj and >>>>> Gurcharanji who are in the academics studying/teaching botany and yet >>>>> give this site so much of their time... >>>>> >>>>> usha di >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:00 AM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Didi, >>>>>> I agree with you. FBI is more than century old. But, there are >>>>>> problems, I did search for presence of the species in India. Didn't find >>>>>> enough info. One site which covers South extensively is silent >>>>>> http://indiabiodiversity.org/observation/show/360861 and refers FoI >>>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Common%20Asystasia.html>. >>>>>> *Asystasia intrusa* Bl. have different leaves in >>>>>> http://www.iiim.res.in/herbarium/acanthaceae/asystasia_intrusa.htm. >>>>>> There is another *A. intrusa* Nees (ref. FBI) of which I do not have >>>>>> any info. >>>>>> >>>>>> The most important is that this thread doesn't tell me yet if the >>>>>> posted plant is wild or cultivated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> when was the fbi vol published? SUrajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> old i know >>>>>>> >>>>>>> much movement in plants and animals since then >>>>>>> no reason why we cant see any of those plants in peninsular India or >>>>>>> the Himalayas and gangetic plains , as far as I can see >>>>>>> what with mass movements of people and animals planes ship etc and >>>>>>> monsoon currents of the oceans >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wont go with FBI of old publication as gospel truth for at least >>>>>>> distributionof plants, if i were you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Usha di >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:14 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please check for *Asystasia*, one such has been identified as - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - https://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/Asystasia_intrusa.htm >>>>>>>> - http://www.flickriver.com/photos/shubhada_nikharge/4326685851/ >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.phytoimages.siu.edu/cgi-bin/dol/dol_terminal.pl?taxon_name=Asystasia_intrusa&rank=binomial >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But, as per FBI *A. intrusa* Blume is distributed in Singapore, >>>>>>>> Java >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 9:00 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ruellia >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/ruellia> >>>>>>>>> species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published >>>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever >>>>>>>>> available) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Narendra Joshi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: 24 March 2015 at 18:03 >>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:219036] Acanthaceae Fortnight:: Ruellia Sp >>>>>>>>> ?? for ID-NSJ-MAR-29 >>>>>>>>> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ruellia sp for ID. 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