Regarding flower size, whatever Haines might have recorded in his book BoBO, there is no question of confusing *Commelina longifolia* Lam. with *C. diffusa* Burm.f. (or that with *C. hasskarlii* C. B. Clarke / *C. caroliniana* Walter).
*C. longifolia* Lam. has the largest flower and equal petals I have ever seen. The confusion is between *C. hasskarlii* C. B. Clarke (synonymous with *C. caroliniana* Walter) and *C. diffusa* Burm. f. and the discussion is open in https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/aulqw5hOoZk/C02DimNGFwAJ. I think my pond species is *C. caroliniana* Walter (syn. *C. hasskarlii* C.B. Clarke), for its less or no falcate spathe. Thank you Regards (simply) surajit koley ! no "Sir", no "Dr.", no "Ji" ! On 4 October 2015 at 13:55, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: surajit koley <[email protected]> > Date: 20 September 2015 at 00:12 > Subject: [efloraofindia:232188] Re: sk2015sept02/02 - BSI checklist of > Commelina > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > > > This is what Lamarck noted on *C. longifolia* - > http://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/33349848#page/155/mode/1up. BSI > informs the species is distributed in Peninsular, E & NE India. Isn't it > surprising that till to date we have no representative in our database? > > This is the only species I have ever come across which has larger flowers > then the rest. I was very confused when Mayur Ji and Manudev Ji identified > two of my threads, featuring this large flower, as *C. diffusa* Burm f. > More so, because earlier Mayur Ji identified a smaller flower (where petals > are not equal) a species as *C. diffusa* Burm.. f. > > I have Mayur Ji's paper on *C. beddomei* and Manudev Ji's paper on *C. > andamanica* with me. So. I still feel shaky while writing this. > > I came to know that *C. coelestis* Willd. looks similar in another > thread, but differs in some respect - > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/RaAjZgNORCA/74FO9kxJeTAJ. > > Even the Bangladesh doc i uploaded in one of my recent threads is > confusing! > > With so many pseudobotanists (me too!) playing in the net there are only > two pics of *C. longifolia* - > > - https://www.flickr.com/photos/haile/2384267981 > - https://www.flickr.com/photos/haile/2385099498 > > Where is Roxburgh's *C. salicifolia*, I thought! > > As for *C. hasskarlii* C.B. Clarke, the docs and the links I shared in > another my recent thread will tell that it is exceedingly similar to *C. > diffusa* Burm. f. The description in efloras would tell the flowers are > of the size of *C. benghalensis*. > > BSi informs *C. hasskarlii* is distributed throughout our country yet we > do not have it in our database!!! > > > Thank you > Regards > surajit koley > a *non-botanist* member of > efloraofIndia google group > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:26 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I am very surprised that why both FBI and BoBo recorded flowers of *C. >> salicifolia* Roxb. are small while Roxburgh himslef noted flowers are >> large and petals are equal..! >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit koley >> a *non-botanist* member of >> efloraofIndia google group >> >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 6:41 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> This is no particular species photographs. It's an introduction to my >>> next couple of threads. >>> >>> We have BSI checklist of the genus now - >>> http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/speciesList_PCL.action?resultType=genusWise&parent_Id=2431&parent_Name=commelina >>> . >>> >>> Interestingly, *Commelina diffusa* Burm. f. likely not to be found in >>> our area. This is because Hooghly district (South of West Bengal) doesn't >>> fall under the BSI specified regional distribution of the species >>> http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/speciesDesc_PCL.action?species_id=2483 >>> . >>> >>> Yet, Sir Prain thought it was distributed in the western & northern >>> provinces of then Bengal. Haines also recorded the same in his book BoBO. >>> lease check the attached literature. >>> >>> So, I keep the species, *C. diffusa* Burm.f. in my following table - >>> >>> >>> speciesdistributionleavesspatheflower1C. diffusa Burm, f.Peninsular, NE >>> & NW India, E Himalaya, Andaman & Nicobarlanceolate, 1.5-3 x 0.33-0.67 >>> inch, ciliate0.67-1 inch, acute, base rounded or cordate, striate >>> >>> Haines = 0.75-2 inchsmaller petals blue, outer pale or white >>> >>> Haines = flower blue 0.5 inch diam2C. longifolia Lam. = C. salicifolia >>> Roxb.Peninsular, E, NE Indialinear lanceolate, 3-6 x 0.16-0.5 inch, >>> nearly glabrous, sheaths ciliolate1.5-2 inch, axillary, solitary, acute >>> to acuminate, base roundedsmall, dark blue >>> >>> Haines = smaller than diffusa3C. hasskarlii C.B.Cl >>> <http://c.b.cl/>.throughout >>> Indianarrowly lanceolate, 1-3 x 0.5-0.67 inch, subacute to obtuse, >>> sheaths short0.5-1 inch, axillary, base rounded, longer than peduncle, >>> 4C. attenuata Koen. ex vahlalmost throughout Indialinear or lanceolate, >>> 1-2 (3 Haines) x 0.25-0.5 inch, obtuse or sub-acute0.33-1.5 inch, acute >>> or caudate-acuminate, longer than peduncles, base auricled, deeply >>> cordatesmall, >>> blue >>> >>> Haines = very small, brownish sepal5C. apendiculata C.B.Cl >>> <http://c.b.cl/>.E, NE India, E Himalayalinear or linear-lanceolate, >>> 4-6 x 0.17-0.67 inch, narrowed at both ends,very long peduncled, 2-3 >>> inch, caudate-acuminate, base cordate >>> 6C. benghalensis L.throughout India >>> >>> >>> 7C. maculata Edgwe. = C. obliqua Buch-Ham. ex D. Don = C. paludosa >>> Bl.throughout >>> Indialanceolate, 4-7 x 1-2 inch, acute or caudate-acuminate,0.75-1.5 >>> inch, usually in terminal heads, solitary or crowded, funnel shapedblue8C. >>> suffruticosa Bl.C, N, E & NE Indialanceolate, 3-14 x 0.75-2 inch, >>> acuminate, sheaths auricled0.33-0.5 inch, panicled or clustered >>> >>> Haines = spathe funnel shaped >>> 9 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *C. tuberosa* L. also likely to be found in our region as per BSI. But >>> that species is different than the usual ones I see around. So, I left the >>> 9th space of my table blank. >>> >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit koley >>> a *non-botanist* member of >>> efloraofIndia google group >>> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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