Analysed many images that I had taken with reference to the link... https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/b/bignoniaceae/crescentia....in the efl page.Though the leaves exhibit marked variability in being both simple and trifoliate,they are predominantly tifoliate with prominently winged petioles as could be seen in one of the uploaded images.Further the maroon-streaked flowers point towards Crescentia alata...! But I am given to understand that C.alata and C.cujete interbreed...!?
Thanks Shrikantji and M.Swamy ji. On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 8:38 PM, tsp kumar <tspkuma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks M.Swamyji for the feedback.I will certainly revisit the specimen > and try to determine what exactly it is. > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 6:53 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "M Swamy" <swamy.c...@gmail.com> >> Date: 16 Nov 2015 18:06 >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:235974] TSPNOV2015-19:images of Crescentia >> cujete (Bignoniaceae) >> To: "Ushadi Micromini" <microminipho...@gmail.com>, "J.M. Garg" < >> jmga...@gmail.com> >> Cc: >> >> Your remarks 'How does one compare the fruit and flower sizes in one tree >> specimen' is most appropriate. I concur with your views. I think one >> need to check all the taxonomic characters of the species using the flora >> and key for the genus. This can be done only by the person who has posted >> the picture and has access to the specimen. You have also taken trouble >> to make appropriate references on the taxa. Very helpful. >> >> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >> microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> That's interesting, Dr. Swamy >>> I share your views and appreciate the reference link >>> >>> but i also wonder.... >>> how does one compare the fruit and flower sizes in one tree specimen ? >>> >>> would we need a set of samples? like the toptropical nursery owners >>> do, they have lots of trees growing in their nursery ... >>> >>> this is always a conundrum when we see one tree. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also the mayan civilization, that used these trees for domestic use.. >>> have both wild and domesticated populations and in that there is marked >>> difference in genetic variation with end result in the habit, ;leaves and >>> fruits being of different sizes and characteristics etc >>> >>> 1: >>> >>> http://www.researchgate.net/publication/225691620_Diversity_of_the_calabash_ >>> tree_%28Crescentia_cujete_L.%29_in_Colombia >>> >>> two full text papers from PUBMED from NIH USA >>> >>> 2: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3359923/ >>> 3: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3842825/ >>> >>> so how do we know if we are seeing offspring of a wild vareity or >>> offspring of the domesticated variety >>> >>> maybe Gurcharanji can give us an opinion? please >>> Tapasda? >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> usha di >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 5:39 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: M Swamy <swamy.c...@gmail.com> >>>> Date: 15 November 2015 at 16:57 >>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:235534] TSPNOV2015-19:images of Crescentia >>>> cujete (Bignoniaceae) >>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> In view of the remarks of Srikant ji you may please check for C.alata >>>> also. >>>> Crescentia alata is similar to Crescentia cujete >>>> <http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/crescentia_cujete.htm> except >>>> that both fruits and flowers are smaller as per toptropicals.com : >>>> http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/Crescentia_alata.htm >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 1:00 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>> >>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>> This should be C alata looking at leaves and flowers. Please check. >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Shrikant >>>>> >>>>> efi page on Crescentia alata >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/b/bignoniaceae/crescentia/crescentia-alata> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: tsp kumar <tspkuma...@gmail.com> >>>>> Date: 7 November 2015 at 10:17 >>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:235534] TSPNOV2015-19:images of Crescentia >>>>> cujete (Bignoniaceae) >>>>> To: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear friends, >>>>> >>>>> It is my pleasure to share few images of *Crescentia cujete * >>>>> (Bignoniaceae) >>>>> >>>>> Habit: Medium sized tree >>>>> >>>>> Habitat: Cultivated >>>>> . >>>>> Sighting: Devarayanadurga,Tumkur,Karnataka. >>>>> >>>>> Date: 07-07-2014,10-11-2014,14-06-2015 and 5-10-2015 >>>>> >>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>> tspkumar >>>>> Deputy Conservator of Forests >>>>> Working Plan >>>>> Chikmagalur >>>>> Ph:988057158 >>>>> >>>>> *"When the last tree has been cut down,the last fish caught,the last >>>>> river poisoned,only then we will realise that one cannot eat money"-Osage >>>>> saying* >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> >>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>> the world- more than 2500 members & 2,25,000 messages on 18.6.15) or >>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>> species database of more than 11,000 species & 2,00,000 images). >>>>> >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>> etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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