Thanks a lot, Pascal ji, for clarity. On 4 September 2016 at 16:30, Pascal Bruggeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ashwini, > > > > The first picture of the narrow, small inflorescence is what is considered > propinquum. The problem is that griffithii and propinquum are not well > defined species and seem to be part of a cluster of variants. Apart from > the “classic” propinquum and griffithii there are numerous intermediate > forms that can’t be classified well and should be considered part of a > variational range between propinquum on one end, and griffithii on the > other extreme. Classic griffithii has a short peduncle yet there are > several forms, particularly at the edges of Yumthang valley that have > peduncles well above the leaves. Appendix length (the “thread”) is also > variable as is the color. I have studied this group on several fieldtrips > to W Bengal, Sikkim and Nepal and failed to find stable characters to use > for species delimitations, all characters vary. > > > > Some species *groups* in Arisaema are in an evolutionary flux and the > normal practice of well defined species in other plant genera doesn’t > always apply to Arisaema so the best way to deal with it is the use the > “griffithii-group” designation for the other pictures you show. We are used > to be able to apply a specific name to a specific plant but that is not > always possible in Arisaema. That doesn’t mean we need new names, it does > mean we need new concepts of dealing with variable species groups. So I can > fully understand your confusion. > > > > Pascal > > > > *From: *"J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > *Date: *Friday 2 September 2016 at 06:59 > *To: *efloraofindia <[email protected]> > *Cc: *Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Fwd: [efloraofindia:250563] Arisaema propinquum? ABSEP2016/01 > > > > I think *Arisaema propinquum* Schott > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/araceae/arisaema/arisaema-propinquum> > for > the first set. > > 2nd one looks different. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Ashwini Bhatia* <[email protected]> > Date: 1 September 2016 at 20:14 > Subject: [efloraofindia:250563] Arisaema propinquum? ABSEP2016/01 > To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> > > I dug this out from my earlier walk to Triund. I am confused if this is *A. > propinquum* or *A. graffithii*. Please advise. > > > > *Arisaema propinquum*? > > Mcleodganj-Triund Trek > > 2300m and above > > 30 May 2016 > > > > Thanks. > > Ashwini > > > > > > > > > > This one is from 31st July walk; > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > -- > > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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