Many thanks Mr Bruggeman for explaining this. I will mark them as advised. With regards, Ashwini
> On 4 Sep 2016, at 16:30, Pascal Bruggeman <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ashwini, > > The first picture of the narrow, small inflorescence is what is considered > propinquum. The problem is that griffithii and propinquum are not well > defined species and seem to be part of a cluster of variants. Apart from the > “classic” propinquum and griffithii there are numerous intermediate forms > that can’t be classified well and should be considered part of a variational > range between propinquum on one end, and griffithii on the other extreme. > Classic griffithii has a short peduncle yet there are several forms, > particularly at the edges of Yumthang valley that have peduncles well above > the leaves. Appendix length (the “thread”) is also variable as is the color. > I have studied this group on several fieldtrips to W Bengal, Sikkim and Nepal > and failed to find stable characters to use for species delimitations, all > characters vary. > > Some species groups in Arisaema are in an evolutionary flux and the normal > practice of well defined species in other plant genera doesn’t always apply > to Arisaema so the best way to deal with it is the use the “griffithii-group” > designation for the other pictures you show. We are used to be able to apply > a specific name to a specific plant but that is not always possible in > Arisaema. That doesn’t mean we need new names, it does mean we need new > concepts of dealing with variable species groups. So I can fully understand > your confusion. > > Pascal > > From: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Date: Friday 2 September 2016 at 06:59 > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > Cc: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> > Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:250563] Arisaema propinquum? ABSEP2016/01 > > I think Arisaema propinquum Schott > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/araceae/arisaema/arisaema-propinquum> > for the first set. > 2nd one looks different. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: 1 September 2016 at 20:14 > Subject: [efloraofindia:250563] Arisaema propinquum? ABSEP2016/01 > To: indiantreepix <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > I dug this out from my earlier walk to Triund. I am confused if this is A. > propinquum or A. graffithii. Please advise. > > Arisaema propinquum? > Mcleodganj-Triund Trek > 2300m and above > 30 May 2016 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > > > This one is from 31st July walk; > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
