Thank you once again Chris for taking the time to explain things in detail.
Regards, Ashwini > On 4 Oct 2016, at 07:51, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "chrischadwell...@btinternet.com > <mailto:chrischadwell...@btinternet.com>" <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com > <mailto:chrischadwell...@btinternet.com>> > Date: 4 Oct 2016 07:25 > Subject: [efloraofindia:252856] Re: Fragaria nubicola ABMAY01/05 > To: "efloraofindia" <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > Cc: > > Oops! Just goes to show that one needs to keep up-to-date as to revisions of > genera of plants in the Himalaya - and the reality is that the vast majority > of genera in the Himalaya are in need of revision, some urgently so, as our > understanding of them is very poor. > > > Whilst looking into Fragaria nubicola, I noticed that F.bucharica is listed > by Dickore & Klimes in their check-list for Ladakh flora. I had not heard of > this species before. Their is no reference to it. > > I could not readily find any images or descriptions to check. I then spotted > the post of Surajit Kohli from 2015 which had been re-posted, which draws > attention to: > http://www.schweizerbart.de/papers/pde/detail/126/52820/Himalayan_species_of > <http://www.schweizerbart.de/papers/pde/detail/126/52820/Himalayan_species_of> > - a revision of the Himalayan species of Fragaria by Gunter Staudt. I can > only access the abstract at present. Can some get the full article and send > a copy to me and summarise the differences between this species and > F.nubicola, as I think there may be both species in HP? Thus we until this > is checked, we can only the plant above Mcleod Ganj as provisionally > F.nubicola. > > The abstract states that F.bucharica is found in Kashmir (and it seems the > Ladakh part but it must be uncommon and restricted to the moister parts close > to the border with Kashmir). F.nubicola is distributed from HP to SW China, > whereas F.bucharica is found in Kashmir, presumably N.Pakistan, E.Pakistan > and Tadjikistan. > > Yet more names changes to celebrate! Please note that you find me often > saying that I consider this to be a particular species, based on my present > understanding, all-too-aware that the situation could change - even for > species one is/was fairly confident they knew well! I repeat and this > applies to all science, not just botany but we can ONLY ever say (if we have > the necessary expertise) that a plant belongs to a particular species, to the > best of our present understanding, mindful that revisions of a genus could be > taking place as images are posted. Or we were not aware of the revisions. > The picture is complicated by differences of opinion in the botanical world > amongst the taxonomists who revise plants (some of which perform excellent > revisions, other not). So sometimes this means the changes/revisions are not > generally accepted or rejected altogether. > > I realise how bewildering this can be and discouraging but we need to keep > going. It also illustrates the NECESSITY for India botany to collaborate > internationally and keep up with studies on genera and species found within > Indian territory (and bordering countries, as it is worth "keeping a look out > for species from bordering countries which may have been overlooked > previously). Likewise, it is ESSENTIAL for Indian botanists who publish > species NEW TO SCIENCE or NEW TO INDIA publish in top quality International > Journals. Otherwise their findings cannot be inspected/checked or be made > known. > > I am still unable to access a description of a Waldheimia huegelii or know > how to distinguish it from other Waldheimias. > > Their is nowadays a International Code which needs to be followed for the > VALID naming of a NEW species. One of the reasons there are so many synonyms > for certain species, is that botanists all over the world, acting > independently, published species under names without checking - it was much > more difficult to do so in the 19th Century. > > Oh Dear, things do have a habit of turning out to be complicated. We all > wish it was simpler and easier but hopefully we can all 'enjoy' or at least > put up with the challenges of naming plants - and keeping "up-to-date". > > > On Sunday, 3 May 2015 19:25:31 UTC+1, ashwini wrote: > It was my first time seeing this Himalayan strawberry. We have the Duchesnea > indica aplenty but this one is scarce. I saw several plant with flowers today > but no fruit. > > Fragaria nubicola (Himalayan Strawberry) > Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 1850m approx. > 3 May 2015 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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