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On 4 October 2016 at 07:51, J.M. Garg <> wrote:

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> Date: 4 Oct 2016 07:25
> Subject: [efloraofindia:252856] Re: Fragaria nubicola ABMAY01/05
> To: "efloraofindia" <>
> Cc:
> Oops!  Just goes to show that one needs to keep up-to-date as to revisions
> of genera of plants in the Himalaya - *and the reality is that the vast
> majority of genera in the Himalaya are in need of revision, some urgently
> so, as our understanding of them is very poor.*
> *Whilst looking into Fragaria nubicola, I noticed that F.bucharica is
> listed by Dickore & Klimes in their check-list for Ladakh flora.  I had not
> heard of this species before.  Their is no reference to it.*
> *I could not readily find any images or descriptions to check.  I then
> spotted the post of Surajit Kohli from 2015 which had been re-posted, which
> draws attention to:
> <>
>  -
> a revision of the Himalayan species of Fragaria by Gunter Staudt.  I can
> only access the abstract at present.  Can some get the full article and
> send a copy to me and summarise the differences between this species and
> F.nubicola, as I think there may be both species in HP?   Thus we until
> this is checked, we can only the plant above Mcleod Ganj as provisionally
> F.nubicola.*
> *The abstract states that F.bucharica is found in Kashmir (and it seems
> the Ladakh part but it must be uncommon and restricted to the moister parts
> close to the border with Kashmir).  F.nubicola is distributed from HP to SW
> China, whereas F.bucharica is found in Kashmir, presumably N.Pakistan,
> E.Pakistan and Tadjikistan.*
> *Yet more names changes to celebrate!  Please note that you find me often
> saying that I consider this to be a particular species, based on my present
> understanding, all-too-aware that the situation could change - even for
> species one is/was fairly confident they knew well!  I repeat and this
> applies to all science, not just botany but we can ONLY ever say (if we
> have the necessary expertise) that a plant belongs to a particular species,
> to the best of our present understanding, mindful that revisions of a genus
> could be taking place as images are posted.  Or we were not aware of the
> revisions.  The picture is complicated by differences of opinion in the
> botanical world amongst the taxonomists who revise plants (some of which
> perform excellent revisions, other not).  So sometimes this means the
> changes/revisions are not generally accepted or rejected altogether.*
> *I realise how bewildering this can be and discouraging but we need to
> keep going.  It also illustrates the NECESSITY for India botany to
> collaborate internationally and keep up with studies on genera and species
> found within Indian territory (and bordering countries, as it is worth
> "keeping a look out for species from bordering countries which may have
> been overlooked previously).  Likewise, it is ESSENTIAL for Indian
> botanists who publish species NEW TO SCIENCE or NEW TO INDIA publish in top
> quality International Journals.  Otherwise their findings cannot be
> inspected/checked or be made known.*
> *I am still unable to access a description of a Waldheimia huegelii or
> know how to distinguish it from other Waldheimias.*
> *Their is nowadays a International Code which needs to be followed for the
> VALID naming of a NEW species.  One of the reasons there are so many
> synonyms for certain species, is that botanists all over the world, acting
> independently, published species under names without checking - it was much
> more difficult to do so in the 19th Century.*
> *Oh Dear, things do have a habit of turning out to be complicated.  We all
> wish it was simpler and easier but hopefully we can all 'enjoy' or at least
> put up with the challenges of naming plants - and keeping "up-to-date".*
> On Sunday, 3 May 2015 19:25:31 UTC+1, ashwini wrote:
>> It was my first time seeing this Himalayan strawberry. We have the *Duchesnea
>> indica* aplenty but this one is scarce. I saw several plant with flowers
>> today but no fruit.
>> *Fragaria nubicola* (Himalayan Strawberry)
>> Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP
>> 1850m approx.
>> 3 May 2015
>> Thanks.
>> Ashwini
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