Thanks a lot, Sabu ji, for your important views. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mamiyil Sabu Date: 17 October 2016 at 03:58 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:253825] Re: Kailas-Manasarovar Yatra::Cautleya spicata from Gala NSJ-OCT 16/05 To: "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com>
Please note, *C.spicata* has flowers crowded into an erect spike. In 'Flowers of the Himalaya' they describe*C.gracilis* as having a lax drooping spike but certainly early on, it does not droop but the flowers are few and distant. This is correct. *C.spicata* has spikes 13-23cm. C.gracilis 5-10cm (though it can be hard to judge scale from photos taken from different distances). Correct. *C.spicata* has red bracts as long as (thus covering) the calyx. *C.gracilis* has green bracts much shorter than calyx. This is highly confusing. In both species red and green bract forms are available. This is the case with many Zingiberaceae members. *C.spicata* grows in shrubberies and amongst rocks, sometimes epiphytic whereas *C.gracilis* is a forest epiphyte, sometimes growing on rocks. The habitat of both species are more or less same. *C.spicata* has narrow-elliptic leaves whereas *C.gracilis* has linear long-pointed leaves. Leaves of C. spicata are oblong lanceolate whereas in C. gracilis it is linear lanceolate. Both species were recorded by Collet on Jako, Shimla. *Dr. M. Sabu* *Professor Department of BotanyUniversity of CalicutKerala, 673 635, IndiaPhone: 91--4952431545Mobile: 91- 09447636333* Website: www.gingersofindia.com http://www.universityofcalicut.info/index.php?option=com_content&; task=view&id=2175&Itemid=246 <http://www.universityofcalicut.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=195> Google scholar:https://scholar.google.co.in/citations?user= BkXpK9IAAAAJ&hl=en On 16 October 2016 at 19:47, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: chrischadwell...@btinternet.com <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com> > Date: 16 October 2016 at 19:42 > Subject: [efloraofindia:253825] Re: Kailas-Manasarovar Yatra::Cautleya > spicata from Gala NSJ-OCT 16/05 > To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > > > *Mr Garg is correct this is Cautleya spicata.* > > Please note, *C.spicata* has flowers crowded into an erect spike. In > 'Flowers of the Himalaya' they describe *C.gracilis* as having a lax > drooping spike but certainly early on, it does not droop but the flowers > are few and distant. > > *C.spicata* has spikes 13-23cm. C.gracilis 5-10cm (though it can be hard > to judge scale from photos taken from different distances). > > *C.spicata* has red bracts as long as (thus covering) the calyx. > *C.gracilis* has green bracts much shorter than calyx. > > *C.spicata* grows in shrubberies and amongst rocks, sometimes epiphytic > whereas *C.gracilis* is a forest epiphyte, sometimes growing on rocks. > > *C.spicata* has narrow-elliptic leaves whereas *C.gracilis* has linear > long-pointed leaves. > > Both species were recorded by Collet on Jako, Shimla. > > The larger image in Cautleya on the Gingers of India site is of > *C.spicata*. See; http://www.gingersofindia.com/ > genera-and-species/12:gingers/15:cautleya-royle.html The smaller image > named as *C.gracilis* does match this species. *Note that Noltie in > 'Flora of Bhutan' Vol 3 Part 1 (1994) considers that C.cathcartii to > probably be just be a robust form of C.gracilis.* > > There are correct images showing *C.gracilis* as an epiphyte in Sikkim & > Darjeeling: > *http://www.asianflora.com/Zingiberaceae/Cautleya-gracilis.htm > <http://www.asianflora.com/Zingiberaceae/Cautleya-gracilis.htm>* > > There are a number of images of herbarium specimens of *C.gracilis* > available on the Kew Herbarium site such as: > http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K001057270 which > show the distant flowers - though variation exists. Note that this was > originally thought to be a specimen of *C.cathcartii*. > > > *The situation is complicated by a number of images on the internet > (primarily of cultivated plants both in India and the West) having been > misidentified -* > *this is common-place. It is worth repeating that my informal > investigations suggest at least 50% of plants in cultivation under > Himalayan names are misidentified. So you cannot always rely upon images on > the internet - the same principle applies (though hopefully much less than > 50%) to images of plants taken in the Himalaya, in books and articles about > Himalayan plants are also misidentified). Even 'Flowers of the Himalaya' > has a few misidentifications amongst its images.... ALWAYS be cautious in > accepting the information provided on the internet and traditionally > printed articles and books. The content of many check-lists and floras > covering the Himalaya cannot always be relied upon. I find many littered > with clear-cut errors plus numerous questionable records. It is of course > difficult for those without the background or experience to be able to > question such things. We ALL of us need to be less trusting of > information. As for the content of articles published in the amazing array > of 'international' journals that abound these days - beware, it is often > not peer-reviewed or properly checked (though how could the content be). > Even the information supplied by prestigious international organisations is > not always accurate....* > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 5:42:47 PM UTC+1, raj wrote: > >> Dear Members, >> >> Cautleya spicata for validation. Photo taken on the way to Gala approx >> height 7500 feet, Aug 14, 2016. >> >> -- >> With Regards, >> Narendra Joshi >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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