Dears,
'The Chor' is the famous 'Churdhar' that Sir Collect approached from Chopal (Sarahan) side. Mr. Chadwell is correct. Species like Lilium polyphyllum and Habenaria sussane that were recorded as common in Shimla hills by Sir Collect have almost vanished from the Shimla hills due to change in landuse and increasing biotic pressure on these forests. Even the highly protected Shimla Water Catchment forests that used to house many exacting species like Cyperipedium cordigerum over acres, have lost that sheen. Now one has to actually exert to locate one - probably the last remnant - specimen of these species here. Regards, Gurinder Dr. G S Goraya, IFS Deputy Director General (Research), Indian Council of Forestry Research & Education, New Forest P.O., Dehradun - 248006. (Uttarakhand, India) Tel. (+91-941-802-5036) ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Anil Thakur <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 10:20 AM To: C CHADWELL Cc: J. M. Garg; efloraofindia; Nidhan Singh Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:255158] Re: Hatoo (Narkanda, Shimla, H.P.) AT OCT2016/12 The planting of Apple orchards has affected the mountain ecosystems badly. The native vegetation has been cleared in favour of cash crops. Apples have replaced Chilgosa pine and other native vegetation in Kinnaur. The recent flash floods in that area are attributed to ecological degradation. Regards On Oct 29, 2016 10:12 AM, "Anil Thakur" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Respected Chadwell You are absolutely right. NBPGR is National Bureau of Plant Genetic Resources. Population of India has nearly doubled during the last 50 years. Manali, Shimla and all other small towns in the hills have expanded to forest areas. Vegetation has been cleared for construction as well as for fodder. This has lead to the disappearance of many rare and useful plants. Many of the plants mentioned in Sir Collett's Flora Simlensis are not present today in their reported localities. I am not able to locate the place 'The Chor' mentioned by you. Regards On Oct 29, 2016 12:16 AM, "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Dear Anil I first came across Lilium polyphyllum in Kashmir. My small team in 1983 camped on a small island in the Lidder river on the way to Aru from Pahlgam - this lily grew here. The crossing to the island consisted of a tree trunk. Sadly, just 2 years later a wooden bridge had been made to allow vehicles across - no sign of the lily! Members of a botanical tour found a good colony of this lily in forest above Manali and told me of it - I was able to locate this. Unfortunately, the colony may have expired. There is a great deal of house building and planting of both apple orchards and other crops - there were some such fields before. Presumably this is the explanation. Cardiocrinum giganteum was still visible. Stewart knew it from N.Pakistan and Kashmir @ 2100-3000m. Even then (some 50 years back) he observed that possibly due to picking this lily is nowhere abundant. You mention NBPG - is this The National Bureau of Plant Genetic Resources? Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK www.shpa.org.uk<http://www.shpa.org.uk/> ________________________________ From: Anil Thakur <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; efloraofindia <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Nidhan Singh <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Friday, 28 October 2016, 19:22 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:255124] Re: Hatoo (Narkanda, Shimla, H.P.) AT OCT2016/12 Yes, Garg Ji and Chadwell ji There are many problems like over grazing, excessive human interference and development. I have never come across Lilium polyphyllum till date. A conservation project on this plant was awarded to NBPG, but they have to return the money as they were unable to collect the plant from this area. Shali is another area rich in plant diversity. That is approximately 50km away from this place. Regards On 10/28/16, J.M. Garg <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Thanks, Chadwell ji. > > On 28 Oct 2016 5:11 pm, > "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" < > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > >> Another place worth visiting (have any of this group's members botanized >> there, I wonder) mentioned by Collet is 'The Chor' located at 30 52' and >> 77 >> 32' >> to the South-East of Shimla rises to some 3600m. I did see a book about >> a >> survey of this area in a book-shop at Shimla some years back but this was >> beyond my tight budget. As Collet says this and Hatugarh (Hatu) are the >> only elevations in the district on which there is subalpine vegetation. >> >> I noted over-grazing on Hatu so some of the plants mentioned as growing >> there in Collet's time are probably no longer present - just as *Lilium >> polyphyllum* which is the Frontispiece in 'Flora Simlensis' was once >> common in Shimla woods but is surely rare or its colonies have been >> trampled, over-grazed, plucked or its habitat destroyed by construction. >> >> And one should not forget Shali 'Peak' which has records for species not >> recorded elsewhere in the district. >> >> On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 6:16:14 PM UTC+1, Anil Thakur wrote: >> >>> Hatoo is a place frequently mentioned in Collett's 'FLORA SIMLENSIS'. >>> It is about 75km away from Shimla (H.P.) on Rampur road and rich in >>> plant biodiversity. >>> It was a nice experience to visit Hatoo alongwith Dr. Nidhan Singh and >>> his students. Although we were quite late as most of the plants had >>> died, still we got some in our collection. >>> >>> -- >>> With best Regards, >>> >>> Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to >> [email protected].<mailto:[email protected].> >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected].<mailto:[email protected].> >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- With best Regards, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. 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