Thanks, Gurinder ji, Anil ji and Chadwell ji for interesting discussion. On 29 Oct 2016 6:50 pm, "gurinder goraya" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dears, > > > 'The Chor' is the famous 'Churdhar' that Sir Collect approached from > Chopal (Sarahan) side. > > > Mr. Chadwell is correct. Species like *Lilium polyphyllum* and *Habenaria > sussane* that were recorded as common in Shimla hills by Sir Collect have > almost vanished from the Shimla hills due to change in landuse and > increasing biotic pressure on these forests. Even the highly protected > Shimla Water Catchment forests that used to house many exacting species > like *Cyperipedium cordigerum* over acres, have lost that sheen. Now one > has to actually exert to locate one - probably the last remnant - specimen > of these species here. > > > Regards, > > > Gurinder > > > > > > Dr. G S Goraya, IFS > Deputy Director General (Research), > Indian Council of Forestry Research & Education, > New Forest P.O., Dehradun - 248006. > (Uttarakhand, India) > Tel. (+91-941-802-5036) > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> > on behalf of Anil Thakur <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 10:20 AM > *To:* C CHADWELL > *Cc:* J. M. Garg; efloraofindia; Nidhan Singh > *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:255158] Re: Hatoo (Narkanda, Shimla, H.P.) > AT OCT2016/12 > > > The planting of Apple orchards has affected the mountain ecosystems badly. > The native vegetation has been cleared in favour of cash crops. Apples have > replaced Chilgosa pine and other native vegetation in Kinnaur. The recent > flash floods in that area are attributed to ecological degradation. > > Regards > > On Oct 29, 2016 10:12 AM, "Anil Thakur" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Respected Chadwell >> You are absolutely right. NBPGR is National Bureau of Plant Genetic >> Resources. >> Population of India has nearly doubled during the last 50 years. Manali, >> Shimla and all other small towns in the hills have expanded to forest >> areas. Vegetation has been cleared for construction as well as for fodder. >> This has lead to the disappearance of many rare and useful plants. Many of >> the plants mentioned in Sir Collett's Flora Simlensis are not present today >> in their reported localities. >> I am not able to locate the place 'The Chor' mentioned by you. >> >> Regards >> >> On Oct 29, 2016 12:16 AM, "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Anil >>> >>> I first came across Lilium polyphyllum in Kashmir. My small team in >>> 1983 camped on a small island in the Lidder river on >>> the way to Aru from Pahlgam - this lily grew here. The crossing to the >>> island consisted of a tree trunk. Sadly, just 2 years later >>> a wooden bridge had been made to allow vehicles across - no sign of the >>> lily! >>> >>> Members of a botanical tour found a good colony of this lily in forest >>> above Manali and told me of it - I was able to locate this. >>> Unfortunately, the colony may have expired. There is a great deal of >>> house building and planting of both apple orchards and >>> other crops - there were some such fields before. Presumably this is >>> the explanation. * Cardiocrinum giganteum* was still visible. >>> >>> Stewart knew it from N.Pakistan and Kashmir @ 2100-3000m. Even then >>> (some 50 years back) he observed that possibly due to picking >>> this lily is nowhere abundant. >>> >>> You mention NBPG - is this The National Bureau of Plant Genetic >>> Resources? >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> >>> Chris Chadwell >>> >>> >>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>> SLOUGH >>> SL3 8BE >>> UK >>> >>> www.shpa.org.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Anil Thakur <[email protected]> >>> *To:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> *Cc:* [email protected]; efloraofindia < >>> [email protected]>; Nidhan Singh <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Friday, 28 October 2016, 19:22 >>> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:255124] Re: Hatoo (Narkanda, Shimla, >>> H.P.) AT OCT2016/12 >>> >>> Yes, Garg Ji and Chadwell ji >>> There are many problems like over grazing, excessive human >>> interference and development. I have never come across Lilium >>> polyphyllum till date. A conservation project on this plant was >>> awarded to NBPG, but they have to return the money as they were unable >>> to collect the plant from this area. >>> Shali is another area rich in plant diversity. That is approximately >>> 50km away from this place. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> On 10/28/16, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Thanks, Chadwell ji. >>> > >>> > On 28 Oct 2016 5:11 pm, "[email protected]" < >>> > [email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Another place worth visiting (have any of this group's members >>> botanized >>> >> there, I wonder) mentioned by Collet is 'The Chor' located at 30 52' >>> and >>> >> 77 >>> >> 32' >>> >> to the South-East of Shimla rises to some 3600m. I did see a book >>> about >>> >> a >>> >> survey of this area in a book-shop at Shimla some years back but this >>> was >>> >> beyond my tight budget. As Collet says this and Hatugarh (Hatu) are >>> the >>> >> only elevations in the district on which there is subalpine >>> vegetation. >>> >> >>> >> I noted over-grazing on Hatu so some of the plants mentioned as >>> growing >>> >> there in Collet's time are probably no longer present - just as >>> *Lilium >>> >> polyphyllum* which is the Frontispiece in 'Flora Simlensis' was once >>> >> common in Shimla woods but is surely rare or its colonies have been >>> >> trampled, over-grazed, plucked or its habitat destroyed by >>> construction. >>> >> >>> >> And one should not forget Shali 'Peak' which has records for species >>> not >>> >> recorded elsewhere in the district. >>> >> >>> >> On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 6:16:14 PM UTC+1, Anil Thakur wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Hatoo is a place frequently mentioned in Collett's 'FLORA SIMLENSIS'. >>> >>> It is about 75km away from Shimla (H.P.) on Rampur road and rich in >>> >>> plant biodiversity. >>> >>> It was a nice experience to visit Hatoo alongwith Dr. Nidhan Singh >>> and >>> >>> his students. Although we were quite late as most of the plants had >>> >>> died, still we got some in our collection. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> With best Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur >>> >>> >>> >> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >> "efloraofindia" group. >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an >>> >> email to [email protected]. >>> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With best Regards, >>> >>> Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur >>> >>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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