There is a new suggestion - Aconitum laciniatum On Oct 19, 2016 00:10, "Tapas Chakrabarty" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you once again Sir. > Regards, > Tapas. > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Sir, >> Thank you. >> The photograph was taken from a plant near Thangu, North Sikkim at about >> 4000 m altitude. >> This key belongs to an unpublished manuscript on the Flora of Sikkim and >> the family Ranunculaceae is authored by R. C. Srivastava, ex Scientist of >> Botanical Survey of India. >> it is indeed well known that the keys to the taxa of certain plant >> families should be prepared by supplementary field observations as well. >> Regards, >> Tapas. >> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 8:08 PM, C CHADWELL < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Tapas >>> >>> Thanks for sending the key. Would you let me know which publication >>> this comes from? >>> >>> *Would you also please provide an approx. altitude and general location >>> where you took your photos?* >>> *Such information is important and should always accompany any images of >>> any genus sent for* >>> *identification.* >>> >>> I do have the key in 'Flora of Bhutan' Vol 1 Part 2 (1984), which covers >>> Sikkim as well but clearly the knowledge >>> of the genus in the E.Himalaya has advanced since then. >>> >>> *One must always use keys with caution. They are difficult to prepare >>> and inevitably imperfect. They can* >>> *serve a useful purpose in narrowing down the most likely candidates but >>> even so.* >>> >>> *A major problem is that most are mostly prepared from a limited number >>> of dried, pressed herbarium specimens -* >>> *the characteristics of living/fresh specimens is often not known by >>> herbarium taxonomists.* >>> >>> *The detail one can see in photos - not matter how close-up they are >>> (and yours are not) is often inadequate* >>> *and/or requires inspect of both flowers and fruit, which seldom are >>> available together.* >>> >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> >>> Chris Chadwell >>> >>> >>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>> SLOUGH >>> SL3 8BE >>> UK >>> >>> www.shpa.org.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>> *To:* >>> *Cc:* efloraofindia <[email protected]>; J.M. Garg < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 October 2016, 9:04 >>> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:254056] Re: Aconitum heterophyllum [?] >>> (Ranunculaceae) from North Sikkim. >>> >>> Thank you Chadwell ji, >>> There are 12 species of Aconitum recorded for Sikkim. I have no >>> knowledge in this group. >>> Someone gave me a Key to the species in Sikkim which I am furnishing >>> below thinking that it may be of some use. >>> Regards, >>> Tapas. >>> >>> 1a. >>> Climbing or twining herbs >>> 2. >>> *A. elwesiii* >>> b. >>> Erect herbs >>> 2 >>> 2a. >>> Annual herbs with slender tap roots; carpels 9 – >>> 12 5. *A. gymnandrum* >>> b. >>> Perennial or biennial herbs, usually with a paired tap root; carpels 3 – >>> 5 (-8) 3 >>> 3a. >>> Inflorescences 1 – 4-flowered >>> 10. *A. naviculare* >>> b. >>> Inflorescences many-flowered >>> 4 >>> 4a. >>> Perennial herbs >>> 11. *A. novoluridum* >>> b. >>> Biennial herbs >>> 5 >>> 5a. >>> Petals hispid or hispidulous >>> 6 >>> b. >>> Petals glabrous >>> 9 >>> 6a. >>> Carpels glabrous, drying black >>> 4. *A. gammiei* >>> b. >>> Carpels pubescent >>> 7 >>> 7a. >>> Carpels 3 (-4 – 5) >>> 8. *A. laciniatum* >>> b. >>> Carpels 5 >>> 8 >>> 8a. >>> Uppermost sepal horizontal, conspicuously beaked; carpels densely yellow >>> velutinous >>> >>> 9. *A. nakaoi* >>> >>> b. >>> Uppermost sepal oblique, shortly beaked; carpels sparsely pubescent to >>> glabrous >>> >>> 6. *A. heterophylloides* >>> 9a. >>> Carpels glabrous >>> 1. *A. bisma* >>> >>> b. >>> Carpels pubescent >>> 10 >>> >>> 10a. >>> Leaves from hypogynous base of stem >>> 7. *A. hookeri* >>> >>> b. >>> Leaves basal and cauline >>> 11 >>> >>> 11a. >>> Bracteoles linear, entire; flowers dirty blue; petal head *ca *6 mm >>> long 3. *A. ferox* >>> >>> b. >>> Bracteoles broad, dentate; flowers deep blue; petal head *ca *10 mm >>> long >>> 12. *A. spicatum* >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:12 PM, [email protected] < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I can say with certainty that this is definitely not *Aconitum >>> heterophyllu*m - a species not found in the E.Himalaya. I had delayed >>> in sending an initial response in hope that some else would name it! >>> >>> My knowledge of Eastern Himalayan flora is much less with relatively few >>> plant explorations in the region. I have not been into Sikkim proper. >>> >>> Aconitum is not an easy genus; I see there are a number of images of >>> specimens of this genus photographed in Sikkim on efi site which have not >>> be identified yet. *Another task awaiting to take a close look at all >>> these!* Clearly there is no expert on the genus currently available? >>> There are quite a number of species to consider. I could say it was >>> similar to one or two species but need time to look into the E.Himalayan >>> representatives further. Some 20+ species recorded from Bhutan & Sikkim - >>> though one can readily eliminate most of these. >>> >>> Shall wait further just in case there is anyone out there who can come >>> to our assistance? >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 6:05:01 PM UTC+1, tchakrab wrote: >>> >>> Kindly look at the attachments. 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