Thanks, Chadwell ji, In view of your remarks, image of *Rhodiola bupleuroides* in FOI <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Bhutan%20Rhodiola.html> from Valley of Flowers may be of some other species (may be of *Rhodiola heterodonta *only) Pl. confirm.
On 6 November 2016 at 18:43, C CHADWELL <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear All > > *The images from Paddar Valley are of Rhodiola heterodonta and not > R.bupleuroides.* > > May I start be repeating that Rhodiola is an extremely difficult genus > identification-wise. Misidentifications > occur frequently. The situation is complicated by a lot of pressed > specimens in the past being of poor quality > which were badly pressed. *If one attempts to dry Crassulaceae in a > normal way compared with specimens* > *belonging to other families, the results can be poor, with all the leaves > falling off!* > > *I am making an effort with the Rhodiola genus in the NW Himalaya but am > **still > **not certain about a number of species -* > *so cannot yet undertake a full appraisal of all posting on efi. > Hopefully, shall be able to do so at some stage in the future* > *as the situation is in need of improvement.* > > *Given the poor reference specimens (inadequate)* in most Indian herbaria > (and some other herbaria around the world) > it is hardly surprising that something of a muddle exists. > > With the advent of good compact digital cameras, provided those taking > pictures in the coming years operate in a methodical > way and take 10-20 images of each specimen from which they can select the > best/most informative 6-10 to post, our understanding > of this troublesome genus can greatly improve. *So please take more > images of Rhodiolas in the Himalaya from 2017 onwards* > *but please, not just 1 or 2 general shots not showing close-up detail.* > > As with pressed specimens for herbaria if scrappy specimens are collected > in the first place and then one is faced with poor > quality reference specimens in herbaria, the muddle will continue. *We > need more and better close-up images of ALL species* > *of Rhodiola in India (and other genera in the Crassulaceae family*). > > *I have seen a number of false claims of Rhodiola bupleuroides from > Kashmir and Himachal Pradesh - yet it is only recorded from West Nepal > Eastwards!* > > The images taken by Suresh match *R.heterodonta* - please note the second > image illustrates that the stamens are longer than the petals (which when > this characteristic is visible) is one of the features which distinguish it > from *R.bupleuroides* (not that I am familiar with this species). > > Stewart (1972) recorded R.heterodonta from 2400-5000m in Kashmir incl. > Ladakh. I have seen it in Ladakh & Lahoul. Stewart knew it as Sedum roseum > var. heterodontum. > > *R,bupleuroides* is recorded in 'Flora of Lahaul-Spiti' as rare in rock > crevices at Jispa. I have not seen the voucher specimen but I suspect it > to be a misidentification. > > The situation is complicated by misidentified images available on the > internet of both live plants in the wild and cultivation and pressed > specimens. > > Please note that the following link referred to is a *complete* mix-up as > the specimen show from Bhutan (as it correctly says on the label) is of a > Phlomis which belongs to the Lamiaceae family and looks nothing like > Crassulaceae! see: http://www.tropicos.org/Image/100177639 > > As for another link: http://www.tropicos.org/Name/8903316?tab=images. > These show quite a number of images of mostly poor pressed specimens - have > only glanced at them but they show more than one species of Rhodiola! > > *I am not impressed with this tropicos site - do not know who is > responsible for it or the misidentifications!* > > *Given how difficult the genus is, such completely unscientific > contributions will only increase the muddle!!* > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Suresh Kumar Rana <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, 6 November 2016, 6:18 > *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:135919] Rhodiola heterodonta from Paddar > valley J&K > > It appears closer to Rhodiola bupleuroides as per the following: > http://www.tropicos.org/Image/17648 > http://www.tropicos.org/Image/100177639 > http://www.tropicos.org/Name/8903316?tab=images > http://www.asianflora.com/Crassulaceae/Rhodiola-bupleuroides.htm > http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=88995&flora_id=800 > http://www.biora.ru/modules.php?name=invitro&file=spec1&; > sid=19701&gid=202&fid=178 > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Suresh Kumar Rana* <[email protected]> > Date: 22 October 2012 at 23:24 > Subject: [efloraofindia:135919] Rhodiola heterodonta from Paddar valley J&K > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > > > Request for ID confirmation > > Kindly confirm this Id > Bot. name: Rhodiola heterodonta > Family: Crassulaceae > Location: Paddar valley J&K > Altitude: 3100 meters > Date: 17th May 2012 and 9th June 2011 > > -- > Warm regards > Suresh Rana > > -- > > > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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