Would be useful to view any additional images of Geraniums you have from the
Himalaya but please digest my commentsand additional images and information I
have been posting.
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
81 Parlaunt Road
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK
www.shpa.org.uk
From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>
To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
Cc: C CHADWELL <[email protected]>; efloraofindia
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016, 4:47
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:257414] Re: Balsaminaceae, Geraniaceae and
Oxalidaceae Week: Geraniaceae- Geranium himalayense from Kashmir-GS-37
Thanks Dr. Chadwell. I have original full resolution photographs of this plant,
and few others. If you want me to crop and enlarge any, please let me know.
Dr. Gurcharan SinghRetired Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 5:35 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks, Chadwell ji
On 19 Nov 2016 7:04 pm, "chrischadwell261@btinternet. com"
<chrischadwell261@btinternet. com> wrote:
Further to my posting on 12th November. This is a totally different geranium
to the photographed in VOF (see above posting).
I currently cannotput a firm name on this - shall comment further in due
course. Further to myrecent post about photographing Geraniums. I do not think
this comes within the G.collinum-pratense-himalayens e alliance/complex.
Kashmir is graced with quite a number of poorly-knowngeraniums. Let me try to
explain. In the Notes Yeo supplied me, he drawsattention to the problematical
G.collinum-pratense-himalayens e alliance. He considered this was particularly
critical in the NW Himalaya with highquality pressed specimens needed (nowadays
these can be supplemented andsometimes replaced by high quality digital images
(provided the advice givenbelow is followed). This alliance has pink to blue
flowers (sometimeswhite) in which the stamen-tip and stigmas are never
blackish-purple...
I consider it will be helpful for keen photographers, willing to make
anadditional effort, to know which parts of Geranium to photograph. Having
images of such parts of each geranium will greatly aid identificationand
enhance our understanding of the genus in the Himalaya - and perhaps youcan
help with the locating and identification of a species new-to-science!
PHOTOGRAPHING GERANIUMS: IF only the firstone or two flowers have come out
don't bother to collect as the form ofinflorescence will not be evident.
The rootstock is important; get enough to showwhether compact or creeping, or
annual. You can photograph the base ofthe plant which should provide this
information. Clearly, one requirespermission from the authorities to uproot a
plant. There is still a need and indeed role for the collection ofpressed
specimens for herbaria in India but that is primarily the domain ofstaff of
botanic gardens/ institutions.
In the early stages of flowering look out forthe best-developed unripe fruits
available.
If fruit is ripe try to include both dehiscedand undehisced states.
If the fruits are falling with the seedsinside them, collect some (many
geraniums disperse their seed explosively butsome seed is often retained).
Include some loose petals whenpressing (detach if necessary). Expose stamens
to show filament shape andhairs by taking 2 or 3 sepals off a flower from which
petals have recently dropped.
Smoothing out one or two leaves andflowers as you close the press may be
helpful; a few separately pressed basaland lower/middle stem leaves are often
useful.
Wilted specimens can be verymisleading.
Notes should be taken as to flowerposture, colour and patterning of petals,
colour of stigmas, anthers and distalparts of filaments (not necessary if your
photos show these).
And don't forget to ensure thestipules are clearly shown - something that would
have been obviously inpressed specimens, so not mentioned above by Yeo.
On Sunday, March 10, 2013 at 3:03:04 PM UTC, Gurcharan Singh wrote:
Geranium himalayense Kllotzsch
Large-flowered Himalayan species somewhat similar to G. pratense but with
wedge-shaped segments, larger purple to pink flowers with 20-28 mm long petals
and longer fruits 4-4.5 cm long.
Photographed from Kashmir
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SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://www.gurcharanfamily.com /
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg 45/
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