Thought best to collect my thoughts before responding further. I comment about
A.garwhalicum at the bottom. The problem with the links provided (and most from
specialist nurseries,growers and the like) is that such people (in good faith
mostly - though it isin the commercial interest of nurseries to list as many
different species &cultivars as possible, as there are collectors of all
available examples offavoured genera e.g. Androsace, Primula, Iris, Meconopsis,
Geraniumetc.). They will buy if the species name or cultivar name is different
towhat they already have (or think they have). The problem is that hardly any
of those running nurseries, websites(even the top horticulturists in the UK)
have any proper training in how toidentify plants - to be fair, often few, if
any reference books or otherresources exist. They rely on the name something
arrived at. The result is, as my own informalresearch suggests, a high
proportion of plants are misidentified in cultivation(just as a significant
proportion of plants seen during surveys and trips tothe Himalaya are
misidentified). For plants under names of species foundin the Himalaya (some
plants grow in the Himalaya and other regions of theworld, so the example may
not have originated in the Himalaya) I judge atleast 50% to be misidentified
(and I do not mean because they are hybrids,another complication in
cultivation) - I have checked plants from nurseries andsources of seed,
commercial and botanic garden index semina. Thus, we cannot expect the
situationwith Androsace in cultivation to be any different. Of the links
provided, the final two donot come close to the others and in my opinion are
not Androsaceglobifera. As to the identity of the plantphotographed in VoF -
this, as I have already stated is definitely notA.mucronifolia. It might be
A,globifera but some sources say itshould have flower-stalks (others like
'Flowers of Himalaya' say short-stalkedor stalkless. It is the most likely
candidate. There has long been confusion with themat and cushion-forming
species. Interestingly, the image of A,globiferain 'Flowers of the Himalaya'
shows flowers with darker central parts, as doesthe much larger photo of this
species in 'Portraits of Himalayan Flowers'(T.Yoshida), along with one of the
images in his 'Himalayan PlantsIllustrated'.
As to Androsace garwhalicum. I have looked through the notes provided when
this species was described in 1988. I note the NEW species was 'discovered' in
the BSD herbarium, NOT in the wild. Their description and the accompanying
line drawings. I do not know who did the line drawings but they do not appear
to have been acknowledged. Anyhow, C.Bhattacharya made the collection in
Hemkund @ 4200m (though do not give a date) with the type in Calcutta herbarium.
I have to say the line drawing is a bit confusing as it appears to show minute
flowers a fraction of the length of the leaves, yet in the description it
states the petal lobes are 5.5mm long (whilst the leaves are 2.5-5mm). Clearly
a mistake. Ever more extraordinary is the claim that the petals are pale blue.
I don't know of too many Androsaces with blue flowers! But I suspect I have
the explanation and it stems from a problem encountered by those examining
dried specimens in herbaria - the colour of dried flowers if often different to
fresh ones. I am very surprised the authors of this new species did not
realise this (or the senior botanist who went through the manuscript). Anyhow,
as Professor Richards says, petiolarid flowers which are pink when fresh dry
blue..... Perhaps the same has happened here? Maybe the blue flowers
contributed to the authors imaging the specimen was a Primula - hence but
incorrectly, in my mind, Primula garhwalicum.
It would be helpful if a group member with access to BSD, DD or CAL herbaria,
could take good close-ups of the specimens of Androsace garwhalicum and post
them on this site, so we have these for reference purposes.
As the authors only gave a key to distinguish A.garwhalicum from A.selago and
this species is not found in Uttarakhand, I would like to be clearer how to
distinguish it from A.globifera, which is known from the region and for which
it presumably was mistaken for in the past?
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
81 Parlaunt Road
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK
www.shpa.org.uk
From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
To: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>
Cc: C CHADWELL <[email protected]>; efloraofindia
<[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, 18 November 2016, 5:38
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:256124] Re: VoF Week :: DV :: 03 AUG 12 - 0241 ::
Primula garhwalica syn. Androsace garhwalica along Hemakund - Ghangaria trail
Thanks, Chadwell ji, To me it appears close to Androsace globifera as per the
following images (though I may or may not be
correct):http://www.phytoimages.siu. edu/imgs/Cusman1/r/ Primulaceae_Androsace_
globifera_93803.htmlhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/
wiki/File:Androsace_globifera_ 3.JPG
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Androsace_globifera#/media/
File:Androsace_globifera.jpghttps://www.nargs.org/plant/
androsace-globiferahttp://phytoimages.siu.edu/ imgs/Cusman1/r/Primulaceae_
Androsace_globifera_70529.html
http://garden.org/plants/view/ 133923/Rock-Jasmine-Androsace- globifera/
On 9 November 2016 at 13:12, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Chadwell ji for validating this post; will revise my notes at flickr,
when we reach to any conclusion.Regards.Dinesh
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:13 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks, Chadwell ji
On 9 Nov 2016 7:35 am, "[email protected] om"
<[email protected] om> wrote:
I am confused by this. It certainly appears to be an Androsace rather than a
Primula.
I am not familiar with this species. Clearly it has been named by Indian
botanists. Could someone tell me the publication this species was described in
and how it is distinguished from related species?
See the other posting re: Androsace mucronifolia (or not as the case).
On Saturday, August 25, 2012 at 10:23:07 AM UTC+1, Dinesh Valke wrote:
| Primula garhwalica (Balodi & S.Singh) K.K.Khanna & An.Kumar ... (family:
Cyperaceae)
syn. Androsace garhwalica Balodi & S.Singh |
| |
| 3 AUG 12
Hemakund - Ghangaria trail ... about 12200 ft |
|
|
| Regards.
Dinesh |
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