Thanks, Chadwell ji On 24 Nov 2016 8:18 pm, "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> wrote:
> *I am in agreement that the sedge photographed which was initially thought > to be C.echinata is close to Carex leersii*. * But as the images are not > of mature fruits (and may not be sufficiently close-up to show the > necessary detail) we may not be able to be certain certain of an > identification.* > > Unless we have a specialist, familiar with the genus in Kashmir, then it > may be *impossible* for us to proceed further. *Perhaps a member in > Kashmir or visiting Kashmir can take better close-ups of the mature fruits > of this plant and send us? A specialist might be able to* > *identify the photos.* > > *I remember (when working in Wales, which is a part of the UK) undertaking > survey work, I took a specimen of a sedge (albeit foliage only) to show one > of our country's Carex specialist (and one of the best field botanists > overall). He could only be 90% sure what it was.* > > *It may be that a Carex specialist would require a quality pressed > specimen to be certain.* > > I note the following publication but do not have a copy: > > Haq, E. U., *G. H. Dar*, B. A. Wafai and Jacob Koopman*.* > > > *The Genus Carex L. (Cyperaceae) in the Kashmir Himalaya, India: A > Taxonomic Appraisal*. Bishen Singh Mahendra Pal Singh, Dehra Dun. (In > press). > > *Perhaps someone who has a copy can consult this and see if it helps us?* > > *Is Jacob Koopman a member of this group, as he is a Carex specialist when > I am a beginner and this is not an easy genus? Or could forward the images > to request his input with this and indeed other Carex (and Cyperaceae) from > Kashmir?* > > Makes sense if I concentrate my strictly limited time, energy & powers of > concentration on genera and families where no specialists exist especially > if they are not familiar with Himalayan species. In some cases such > specialists are not available. > > With attempting to identify plants, one can easily spend hours (or even > days or weeks) trying and then not being any the wiser afterwards. There > is a "law of diminishing returns" i.e. in some cases the only sensible > course of action is to put to a side the specimens/photos and return to > them at a later date. Sometimes, just a 'fresh' look, days, weeks or > months later is sufficient. > > I e.g. identified sets of photos taken in Ladakh last year. For > some images I was uncertain with species the belonged to (but knew the > genus) and for a few which family but not the genus, as a result of > checking out images posted on eFI which I have checked in recent months, I > can now name the 'outstanding' images from 2015. > > And the more difficult example require a lot of concentration which one > cannot always provide if tired or busy concentrating on other matters. If > one tries to name a plant in such circumstances, rushes this and does not > check properly, mistakes are made and misidentifications are made. > > *Attempting to RELIABLY identify plants can be very demanding > intellectually and mentally exhausting. I am usually very tried, indeed > exhausted after spending a day in a herbarium. I do not think this is > appreciated, especially in these days of "high-tech" science - just as > "field skills" are often not valued in botany.* > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Cc:* efloraofindia <[email protected]>; Gurcharan Singh < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, 24 November 2016, 11:40 > *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:257595] Re: Poaceae, Cyperaceae and > Juncaceae Week:Cyperaceae-Carex sp. 03042013GS1 for ID-GS21 > > Thanks, Chadwell ji. > It appears close to *Carex leersii *F.W.Schultz as per the following: > http://www.biopix.com/grey-sedge-carex-divulsa-ssp- > leersii_photo-11966.aspx > http://science.halleyhosting.com/nature/basin/sedge/carex/ > echinata/echinata.htm > > On 15 November 2016 at 10:31, [email protected] < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Carex is a large and difficult genus. I photographed 3 Carex in my own > village in the UK this year and have only, so far, been able to name one of > them. There is a guide to Carex published by the BSBI which I had a copy > of at one time but was damaged and discarded; I do not currently have the > budget to by an up-dated version. Without it I will struggle (with help) > to name the other two. > > In the UK we are blessed with The Botanical Society of the British Isles > (BSBI) which has a Panel of Referees and Specialists available to have > material sent to them to identify. There are a number of specialists > available to accept specimens (either pressed and dried or in some cases > fresh) with certain ones with particular expertise in particular groups or > aggregates. *In all cases mature fruits and underground parts should be > sent.* I doubt if many of them would be able or willing to attempt to > name specimens on the basis of photos alone particular those not of greater > close-ups or mature fruits than shown in these images. > > *As to the suggestion of Carex echinata is the sedge photographed; this is > known as the 'Star Sedge' in the UK where it is common. Dr Singh is > correct that this species has not been recorded from Pakistan or Kashmir. > However, there is Carex polyphylla which has C.echinata var. leersii as a > synonym. Stewart recorded that at Gulmarg & Pahlgam from 2100-2700m but > not Srinagar - though as I say, this is a difficult and poorly known genus.* > > Just quickly looked at 'The Plant List'. Unfortunately, Carex polyphylla > is not an accepted name but Carex leersi, a synonym is. To be fair to Dr > Singh the sedge he photographed has similarities to both species. But I > will need to inspect further - somewhen..... SO many genera needing > attention! > > On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 at 11:51:02 AM UTC+1, Gurcharan Singh wrote: > > Carex species Photographed from Srinagar, Kashmir on grassy slopes. Looks > like C. echinata, but not reported from the area. 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