Thanks a lot,  Chadwell ji.
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From: "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]>
Date: 21 Dec 2016 5:59 a.m.
Subject: The differences between Geum roylei Boille and Geum urbanum L.
To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>
Cc:

Having now submitted two postings of Geum elatum, it is time to
see if progress can be made clarifying the difference between:

Geum roylei Boille (syn. G.urbanum Hk. FBI)
and
Geum urbanum L.

Stewart understood that BOTH species were common in Kashmir.

*Is this the current thinking amongst Indian botanists and IF so, *
*on what basis are they told apart?*

I do have a set of images of G.urbanum taken in the UK which we can
use for comparative purposes but I think it will be informative to know the
current thinking first.

*Just seen that Geum roylei is an UNRESOLVED name according to the*
*latest version of 'The Plant List'!*

*What fun.*

*I also cannot access Geum in 'Flora of Pakistan'.   Have they come up with*
*another change of genus?  As Geums WERE known to be in Pakistan.  With*
*Geum elatum described in 'Flowers of Pakistan' which says there are only 2
species of*
*Geum in that country - I have to say I question the identification of the
photos claiming to*
*be G.elatum - the flowers look too small to me (cannot see the ffoliage).*

*Can anyone help clarify the situation?*

*Collet in 'Flora Simlensis' said that Geum elatum L. grew commonly around
Shimla.*
*But he generally followed Hooker and the INCORRECT assumption at that time
that lots*
*of 'British'/'European' species grew in the W.Himalaya, so IF Geranium
roylei is a separate*
*species, as was the thinking behind 'Flowers of the Himalaya', Collet
would have just*
*assumed the Geum at Shimla was a variant of the 'British' plant which was
found in Europe*
*& West Asia.*

*Has the genus been studied since then?*


Best Wishes,


Chris Chadwell


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SLOUGH
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UK

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