Chedwell Ji Please go through the pdf (in the link) to understand why taxonomy is at the suffering end due to certain govt rules. http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Downloads/article_id_094_02_0170_0171_0.pdf Today, I can not send even a single specimens for confirmation of identity/ novelty outside India without permission (which are hard to obtain and demand high fees too). DSRawat
On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 1:06:31 PM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: C CHADWELL <[email protected]> > Date: 21 January 2017 at 01:21 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:261908] Fwd: Senecio chrysanthemoides DC. > (provisionally accepted name) ??? > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, efloraofindia < > [email protected]> > Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > > > Further to my comments about the difficulties of identifying Senecio > chrysanthemoides and related > species, I attach an image of what I understand to be this species taken > for me in Ladakh as a slide > in the late 1980s/early 1990s, which has been scanned in. > > This was one of the first pressed specimens collected by my team during > the 1980 University of Southampton > Ladakh Expedition - gathered in triplicate, with a set deposited in the > herbarium of the University of Kashmir. > This was at 3300m, Panichar, Suru Valley on a grassy verge beside > irrigation stream and a barley field in moist > loam amongst Trifolium, grasses, Geranium himalayense with bright yellow > ray florets, disc florets brown. > > Stewart recorded S.chrysanthemoides as common, very variable with the > forms NEEDING TO BE STUDIED > in cultivation and chromosome counts should be made. Recorded from > Kashmir & Ladakh @ 1700-4000m. > Stewart recognised var. analogus and var. sisymbriiformis - saying this > was common on high pastures in Kashmir > as it is avoided by grazing animals. > > Flowers of the Himalaya state that S.chrysanthemoides is found in > shrubberies and open slopes, common & often > gregarious @ 2400-4000m from Pakistan to SW China. > > Flora of Lahaul-Spiti does not record S.chrysanthemoides but has S.laetus > with var. laetus common on moist slopes > and along glacial streams at Khoksar. Also var. sisymbriiformis (DC.) > Aswal comb.nov. (syn. Senecio chrysanthemoides > var. sisymbriiformis and obviously a mistake but rather glaring to be > printed, SISYMBRIUM sisymbriiformis) which the > authors say is common on moist slopes and along streams at Kirting. > > Collet in 'Flora Simlensis' found S.chrysanthemoides common at Shimla and > Mahasu. > > Himalayan Plants Illustrated has a photo of S.laetus Edgew. with > S.chrysanthemoides DC. as a synonym. > > BUT Dickore & Klimes do NOT list S.chrysanthemoides from Ladakh. although > the species remains an ACCEPTED name - at least > in 'The Plant List'. Nor do they list S.laetus. > > So which of the species listed by them was previously known as > S.chrysanthemoides - after all the specimens from the 1980 > expedition were named at Kew and thus we can assume was correctly > identified and in line with the thinking at that time - albeit > some 37 years ago. > > They list S.dubitabilis, which if the illustrations and specimen which can > be accessed through 'The Plant List' are correct, this cannot be confused > with what used to be S.chrysanthemoides and may be what Stewart knew as > S.desfontanei (common in dry areas from the plains to > 3000m in Ladakh). > > I CANNOT find any meaningful information about Senecio korschinskyi. which > Dickore & Klimes do list but have just > spotted Senecio ladakhensis Chowdhery, Uniyal, Mathur & Rao. *This > species was published in the Indian Journal of Forestry (* > *13[4] 366-67 in 1990*). If any members have ready access to this would > they share the information with us particularly how it is . I am > particularly interested > in which species of Senecio this NEW species might have been mistaken for > in the past? > > Strange that it was published back in 1990 yet Dickore & Klimes did not > include it in their check-list of Ladakh plants in 2005. > > *This is the first I have heard of S.ladakhensis.* Just goes to show > that unless one works at an International Institution, which has copies > of such publications as The Indian Journal of Forestry, such NEW species > are easily missed - for decades! And unless the species is covered > elsewhere, is virtually UNKNOWN...... This species may not be similar to > S.chrysanthemoides. > > Yes, it appears (with a VAST number of other species) in the List of > Senecio species but that appears to be it. *But it is 2017, some 27 > years AFTER publication that I have come across this name. There appear > to be no pressed specimens of S.ladakhensis at Kew or Edinburgh. SURELY, > it makes sense for those in a senior position in Indian botany to ensure > reference specimens of NEWLY described species in India are sent to the > major herbaria interested in Indian flora. Has this been happening? Kew > and Edinburgh have a tradition of interest in Himalayan Flora. IF NOT, it > contributes to isolation. Surely, after NEW species have been published a > team could be sent to gather more pressed specimens (and to access to > abundance or not of the species in the district it was found) which could > then be distributed abroad.... IF it has not been happening, then WHY > NOT? Surely, the nearest University or Institution with a herbarium, to > the location where the NEW species has been found, would wish to have > reference specimens for that Institution, so could undertake the collection > of fresh specimens. All this makes sense to me - any such > collections/surveys could readily be combined with other survey work. > AFTER all, GREAT significance seems to be attached to the 'discovery' of > 'NEW' species.... But IF the world knows nothing about such species.....* > > In this day age (not the case back in 1990) surely, some national > organisation in India could publish images and descriptions of ALL new > species recorded from India which THE WORLD could readily access for > COMPARATIVE purposes? In the past, species DESCRIBED in writing only > within journals or listed in floras - where it was impossible to check the > reliability of identifications, caused problems of INTERNATIONAL > validation, particularly if those publishing the species had NOT checked > with specialists in the West PRIOR to publication. > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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