Thanks, Rawat ji On 30 Jan 2017 2:46 p.m., "D.S Rawat" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Chedwell Ji > Please go through the pdf (in the link) to understand why taxonomy is at > the suffering end due to certain govt rules. > http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Downloads/article_id_094_ > 02_0170_0171_0.pdf > Today, I can not send even a single specimens for confirmation of > identity/ novelty outside India without permission (which are hard to > obtain and demand high fees too). > > DSRawat > > > On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 1:06:31 PM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: C CHADWELL <[email protected]> >> Date: 21 January 2017 at 01:21 >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:261908] Fwd: Senecio chrysanthemoides DC. >> (provisionally accepted name) ??? >> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, efloraofindia < >> [email protected]> >> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >> >> >> Further to my comments about the difficulties of identifying Senecio >> chrysanthemoides and related >> species, I attach an image of what I understand to be this species taken >> for me in Ladakh as a slide >> in the late 1980s/early 1990s, which has been scanned in. >> >> This was one of the first pressed specimens collected by my team during >> the 1980 University of Southampton >> Ladakh Expedition - gathered in triplicate, with a set deposited in the >> herbarium of the University of Kashmir. >> This was at 3300m, Panichar, Suru Valley on a grassy verge beside >> irrigation stream and a barley field in moist >> loam amongst Trifolium, grasses, Geranium himalayense with bright yellow >> ray florets, disc florets brown. >> >> Stewart recorded S.chrysanthemoides as common, very variable with the >> forms NEEDING TO BE STUDIED >> in cultivation and chromosome counts should be made. Recorded from >> Kashmir & Ladakh @ 1700-4000m. >> Stewart recognised var. analogus and var. sisymbriiformis - saying this >> was common on high pastures in Kashmir >> as it is avoided by grazing animals. >> >> Flowers of the Himalaya state that S.chrysanthemoides is found in >> shrubberies and open slopes, common & often >> gregarious @ 2400-4000m from Pakistan to SW China. >> >> Flora of Lahaul-Spiti does not record S.chrysanthemoides but has S.laetus >> with var. laetus common on moist slopes >> and along glacial streams at Khoksar. Also var. sisymbriiformis (DC.) >> Aswal comb.nov. (syn. Senecio chrysanthemoides >> var. sisymbriiformis and obviously a mistake but rather glaring to be >> printed, SISYMBRIUM sisymbriiformis) which the >> authors say is common on moist slopes and along streams at Kirting. >> >> Collet in 'Flora Simlensis' found S.chrysanthemoides common at Shimla and >> Mahasu. >> >> Himalayan Plants Illustrated has a photo of S.laetus Edgew. with >> S.chrysanthemoides DC. as a synonym. >> >> BUT Dickore & Klimes do NOT list S.chrysanthemoides from Ladakh. although >> the species remains an ACCEPTED name - at least >> in 'The Plant List'. Nor do they list S.laetus. >> >> So which of the species listed by them was previously known as >> S.chrysanthemoides - after all the specimens from the 1980 >> expedition were named at Kew and thus we can assume was correctly >> identified and in line with the thinking at that time - albeit >> some 37 years ago. >> >> They list S.dubitabilis, which if the illustrations and specimen which >> can be accessed through 'The Plant List' are correct, this cannot be >> confused >> with what used to be S.chrysanthemoides and may be what Stewart knew as >> S.desfontanei (common in dry areas from the plains to >> 3000m in Ladakh). >> >> I CANNOT find any meaningful information about Senecio korschinskyi. >> which Dickore & Klimes do list but have just >> spotted Senecio ladakhensis Chowdhery, Uniyal, Mathur & Rao. *This >> species was published in the Indian Journal of Forestry (* >> *13[4] 366-67 in 1990*). If any members have ready access to this >> would they share the information with us particularly how it is . I am >> particularly interested >> in which species of Senecio this NEW species might have been mistaken for >> in the past? >> >> Strange that it was published back in 1990 yet Dickore & Klimes did not >> include it in their check-list of Ladakh plants in 2005. >> >> *This is the first I have heard of S.ladakhensis.* Just goes to show >> that unless one works at an International Institution, which has copies >> of such publications as The Indian Journal of Forestry, such NEW species >> are easily missed - for decades! And unless the species is covered >> elsewhere, is virtually UNKNOWN...... This species may not be similar to >> S.chrysanthemoides. >> >> Yes, it appears (with a VAST number of other species) in the List of >> Senecio species but that appears to be it. *But it is 2017, some 27 >> years AFTER publication that I have come across this name. There appear >> to be no pressed specimens of S.ladakhensis at Kew or Edinburgh. SURELY, >> it makes sense for those in a senior position in Indian botany to ensure >> reference specimens of NEWLY described species in India are sent to the >> major herbaria interested in Indian flora. Has this been happening? Kew >> and Edinburgh have a tradition of interest in Himalayan Flora. IF NOT, it >> contributes to isolation. Surely, after NEW species have been published a >> team could be sent to gather more pressed specimens (and to access to >> abundance or not of the species in the district it was found) which could >> then be distributed abroad.... IF it has not been happening, then WHY >> NOT? Surely, the nearest University or Institution with a herbarium, to >> the location where the NEW species has been found, would wish to have >> reference specimens for that Institution, so could undertake the collection >> of fresh specimens. All this makes sense to me - any such >> collections/surveys could readily be combined with other survey work. >> AFTER all, GREAT significance seems to be attached to the 'discovery' of >> 'NEW' species.... But IF the world knows nothing about such species.....* >> >> In this day age (not the case back in 1990) surely, some national >> organisation in India could publish images and descriptions of ALL new >> species recorded from India which THE WORLD could readily access for >> COMPARATIVE purposes? In the past, species DESCRIBED in writing only >> within journals or listed in floras - where it was impossible to check the >> reliability of identifications, caused problems of INTERNATIONAL >> validation, particularly if those publishing the species had NOT checked >> with specialists in the West PRIOR to publication. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> >> Chris Chadwell >> >> >> 81 Parlaunt Road >> SLOUGH >> SL3 8BE >> UK >> >> www.shpa.org.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). >> >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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