I think it will be informative if I comment on the entries forSOROSERIS on
BSI's efloraindia
Without looking into the genus in detail, I cannot judge if the descriptionsare
correct or the keys valid. However, I can compare the other informationwith
the references I have to-hand.
S.deasyi (which The Plant List has as a synonym of Soroseris glomerata)
I consider the distribution given as not only imprecise but missing
knowndistributions.
Yes, this species is found in Jammu & Kashmir but one needs to
differentiatebetween occurrence in the Kashmir Valley and Ladakh. It is found
in both.
According to 'Flora of Lahaul-Spiti' this species is found there, so why is
H.P.,not included in its distribution?
Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal lists this species. Why is Nepal
notincluded in its distribution?
The above Enumeration also gives Almora, Garwhal and Tibet in its
distribution.Why are these missing from the BSI account of this species?
The altitudinal range of 4-5000m matches that given by Stewart (which covers
Pakistan and Kashmir only). I presume it is taken solely from this.
As for habitat, the "rocky & gravelly slopes" description is satisfactory but
"roadsides" is not.Stewart describes this as a, "gravel slide plant of the
moraine zone". This specieswould only be found by a 'roadside' if the 'road'
just happens to run through thenatural habitat of this species.
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
81 Parlaunt Road
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK
www.shpa.org.uk
From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2017, 4:30
Subject: Re: Soroseris hookeriana - a NEW genus for eFI??
Thanks, Chadwell ji & Rawat ji,Here are details from BSI flora of India (Volume
13- 1995):
http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/taxonList.action?id=5897&type=3
On 25 February 2017 at 09:07, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji.I do not find any single match in efi site for
Soroseris
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From: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com>
Date: 24 February 2017 at 18:39
Subject: Soroseris hookeriana - a NEW genus for eFI??
To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>
I do not know which tribe Soroseris belongs to, so may have missed this
genusamongst the listings for Asteraceae on eFI- repeat that I find the
sub-division of Asteraceae(large though the family is) into tribes does not
help me.
I have always operated primarily with GENERA. When I come across a plant in
the UK orthe Himalaya that I do not immediately recognise which SPECIES it
belongs to, I start thinkingwhich genus? Failing that, which family? I do not
think in terms of tribes. I have found very fewpeople think in terms of
families and almost none of tribes.
In the past, both floras and guides (such as Flowers of the Himalaya) were
arranged 'Systematically'by supposedly related families. I NEVER found this
helpful, so rapidly adopted a ALPHABETICALapproach, which I encourage (although
as one can see on eFI) there have been many name changesof families in recent
decades. Nowadays in the UK, very few people learn about plant families or
evenif they know lots of them, think in terms of which other families are
closely-related.
Regardless of whether the genus or species is new to eFI, I doubt if there will
have been manypostings - as like, Fritillaria delavayii, which I have just
posted about, this species is another'high' alpine. Not many botanists or
other members of this group from India have reached suchelevations particularly
if major treks are required.
The image below was scanned in from a slide taken in the early 1990s when I was
working as a consultantto The Royal Government of Bhutan. The pressed specimen
was collected for the mini-herbarium at theNational Institute of Traditional
Medicine, Thimphu on stony slopes at some 4400m on Yak La, Lingshi districtin
July 1990.
Soroseris hookeriana is illustrated in 'Flowers of the Himalaya' recorded on
stony slopes & screes in drierareas from Himachal Pradesh to SE Tibet @
4300-5500m. Is this known from Uttarakhand, I wonder?
Flora of Bhutan records this from among boulders and on screes @ 3650-4720m in
Sikkim, Chumbi and Bhutan.Populations in NE Bhutan and the Sikkim/Chumbi border
do not fit well within this species, seeming to beintermediate between this
species and S.hirsuta.
This flora also records S.erysimoides from Bhutan & Chumbi on screes @ 4-4600m.
The authors observe thatfew populations correspond well with this species.
Some appear close to S.hookeriana.
Such taxonomic uncertainty is beyond the scope of eFI plus I do not envisage
too many formal botanicalexpeditions exploring much in these regions in the
coming years and even if they do, it is unlikely that anyimages will be shared
with this site. So we need not concern ourselves too much with these matters,
exceptto be aware that even the world's leading taxonomists at the top
institutions find it difficult to be certain as towhich species some specimens
belong to.
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
81 Parlaunt Road
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK
www.shpa.org.uk
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