Thanks, Chadwell ji. I have been following different efloras over time. Sometimes, each one talks of something different. So here the question is which one to think correctly- Annotated Checklist of the Flowering Plants of Nepal, Flora of China or Flora of Pakistan or BSI Flora of India- naturally everybody is not correct. Only one of them can be correct. Same is the case with other litratures & books. Same is the situation with the databases like The Plant List, GRIN or Catalogue of Life- we follow one of them, but that does not mean that we are following the correct list. We take some decision in the matter - but it is only subjective. Different persons may think differently. So to say that this is correct or incorrect is also subjective only- depending on the knowledge of the person concerned. I find things keep on changing including the species - sometimes they are bunched together, at other times they are separated. So in such circumstances to say who is correct or who is incorrect, is also subjective.
On 11 March 2017 at 17:51, C CHADWELL <[email protected]> wrote: > I think it will be informative if I comment on the entries for > SOROSERIS on BSI's efloraindia > > Without looking into the genus in detail, I cannot judge if the > descriptions > are correct or the keys valid. However, I can compare the other > information > with the references I have to-hand. > > *S.deasyi* (which The Plant List has as a synonym of Soroseris glomerata) > > I consider the distribution given as not only imprecise but missing known > distributions. > > Yes, this species is found in Jammu & Kashmir but one needs to > differentiate > between occurrence in the Kashmir Valley and Ladakh. It is found in both. > > According to 'Flora of Lahaul-Spiti' this species is found there, so why > is H.P., > not included in its distribution? > > Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal lists this species. Why > is Nepal not > included in its distribution? > > The above Enumeration also gives Almora, Garwhal and Tibet in its > distribution. > Why are these missing from the BSI account of this species? > > The altitudinal range of 4-5000m matches that given by Stewart (which > covers > Pakistan and Kashmir only). I presume it is taken solely from this. > > As for habitat, the "rocky & gravelly slopes" description is satisfactory > but "roadsides" is not. > Stewart describes this as a, "gravel slide plant of the moraine zone". > This species > would only be found by a 'roadside' if the 'road' just happens to run > through the > natural habitat of this species. > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Saturday, 11 March 2017, 4:30 > *Subject:* Re: Soroseris hookeriana - a NEW genus for eFI?? > > Thanks, Chadwell ji & Rawat ji, > Here are details from BSI flora of India (Volume 13- 1995): > http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/taxonList.action?id=5897&type=3 > > On 25 February 2017 at 09:07, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. > I do not find any single match in efi site for Soroseris > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *C CHADWELL* <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com > <[email protected]>> > Date: 24 February 2017 at 18:39 > Subject: Soroseris hookeriana - a NEW genus for eFI?? > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > > > I do not know which tribe Soroseris belongs to, so may have missed this > genus > amongst the listings for Asteraceae on eFI- repeat that I find the > sub-division of Asteraceae > (large though the family is) into tribes does not help me. > > I have always operated primarily with GENERA. When I come across a plant > in the UK or > the Himalaya that I do not immediately recognise which SPECIES it belongs > to, I start thinking > which genus? Failing that, which family? I do not think in terms of > tribes. I have found very few > people think in terms of families and almost none of tribes. > > In the past, both floras and guides (such as Flowers of the Himalaya) were > arranged 'Systematically' > by supposedly related families. I NEVER found this helpful, so rapidly > adopted a ALPHABETICAL > approach, which I encourage (although as one can see on eFI) there have > been many name changes > of families in recent decades. Nowadays in the UK, very few people learn > about plant families or even > if they know lots of them, think in terms of which other families are > closely-related. > > *Regardless of whether the genus or species is new to eFI, I doubt if > there will have been many* > *postings - as like, Fritillaria delavayii, which I have just posted > about, this species is another* > *'high' alpine. Not many botanists or other members of this group from > India have reached such* > *elevations particularly if major treks are required.* > > The image below was scanned in from a slide taken in the early 1990s when > I was working as a consultant > to The Royal Government of Bhutan. The pressed specimen was collected for > the mini-herbarium at the > National Institute of Traditional Medicine, Thimphu on stony slopes at > some 4400m on Yak La, Lingshi district > in July 1990. > > Soroseris hookeriana is illustrated in 'Flowers of the Himalaya' recorded > on stony slopes & screes in drier > areas from Himachal Pradesh to SE Tibet @ 4300-5500m. *Is this known > from Uttarakhand, I wonder?* > > Flora of Bhutan records this from among boulders and on screes @ > 3650-4720m in Sikkim, Chumbi and Bhutan. > Populations in NE Bhutan and the Sikkim/Chumbi border do not fit well > within this species, seeming to be > intermediate between this species and S.hirsuta. > > This flora also records S.erysimoides from Bhutan & Chumbi on screes @ > 4-4600m. The authors observe that > few populations correspond well with this species. Some appear close to > S.hookeriana. > > *Such taxonomic uncertainty is beyond the scope of eFI plus I do not > envisage too many formal botanical* > *expeditions exploring much in these regions in the coming years and even > if they do, it is unlikely that any* > *images will be shared with this site. So we need not concern ourselves > too much with these matters, except* > *to be aware that even the world's leading taxonomists at the top > institutions find it difficult to be certain as to* > *which species some specimens belong to.* > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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