Thanks, Radha ji, for experienced views. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: radha veach <[email protected]> Date: 12 May 2017 at 16:20 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:268616] Erythrina stricta Roxb. To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>
Dear Garg ji, I have studied all these posts and researched the subject for a number of years. I doubt that all the efI posts are correct. Some of them show a mixture of 2 species and the identity can only be guessed at with long shots of flowers only. There is a huge confusion on the net as well as many erroneous images. As I mentioned there is considerable diversity *within* each species and you can't go on only the calyx character, you have to see the whole tree including leaves, bark, pods and seeds. You also have to consider the age of the tree. Flowering time varies according to soil and micro environment. In order to be sure an easy check you can do is look at the leaves and pods which are the most consistent. regards Radha On 12 May 2017 at 15:23, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks a lot, Radha ji. > But posts in efi site tell an altogether different story. > Pl. see Erythrina suberosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fabaceae/erythrina/erythrina-stricta-var-suberosa> > > As per the following, your plant also appear to be Erythrina suberosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fabaceae/erythrina/erythrina-stricta-var-suberosa> > to > me with calyx being two lipped & bark being not grooved. > > Pl. see the detailed differences as per the following threads: > > As per efi thread > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/5wkiyksq50M> > : > Calyx not 2 lipped, splitting down to the base, entire at apex is *E. > stricta* > Calyx 2 lipped. not splitting down is *E. suberosa**,* though the bark > and spines may differ. > > As per efi thread: > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!searchin/indiantreepix/Erythrina$20suberosa$20/indiantreepix/XtqBmA7HpMI/-VpSNNl4UYoJ> > *Erythrina suberosa* called as *Pangari* or *Booch pangara*. Small tree. > Bark light grey. corky, cracked, vertical fissures or grooves deep. > Branches crooked. > Flowers early Feb March; common around Pune. > > *Erythrina stricta*. Also called *Pangari*. Large tree. Bark smooth (Not > grooved) Branches prickly far more than the above. Flowering season > comparatively late- May Observed more in large jungles in Mulshi and others > in Konkan not near the city of Pune > > As per efi thread > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/subject$3AFabaceae-Faboideae$20AND$20subject$3A(Papilionaceae)$20AND$20subject$3AWeek$20AND$20subject$3A$3A$3A$20AND$20subject$3AErythrina$20AND$20subject$3Asuberosa$20AND$20subject$3Ain$20AND$20subject$3Anorthern$20AND$20subject$3AWestern$20AND$20subject$3AGhats/indiantreepix/XtqBmA7HpMI> > : > Of course the *Key in BSI* is very good and depends on calyx spathaceous, > not 2 lipped, splitting down deep to base in *E.variegata* and *E.stricta* > whereas > not so in *E suberosa* where it is not spathaceous and it is more or less > 2 lipped. > > > *I request other members from the area to chip in to sort out this > confusion.* > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: radha veach <[email protected]> > Date: 11 May 2017 at 20:51 > Subject: [efloraofindia:268616] Erythrina stricta Roxb. > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > > > Posting images of *Erythrina stricta* Roxb. from the northern Western > Ghats. These pictures are from two individuals growing quite close to one > another and were taken at different times. This species is by far the most > common wild *Erythrina* in the forests around Mumbai. I have noticed > some variation within the species especially in the appearance of the bark. > Older trees have much more of a corky look with fewer prickles. > > *E. suberosa* is seen more rarely and always in drier, exposed slopes. > The leaves of Erythrina stricta are glabrous and those of Erythrina > suberosa are not. Likewise the pods. > Both trees bloom when leafless and at this time it is easy to confuse the > two, especially as fallen leaves are often burnt in forest fires. It is > almost impossible to distinguish the two species with long shots of the > flowers alone. Good descriptions of both can be found in Pradip Krishen's > Jungle Trees of Central India. > > regards > Radha > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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