Hi, Radha ji, Could you pl. point out posts where you feel that they are of Erythrina stricta under Erythrina suberosa <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fabaceae/erythrina/erythrina-stricta-var-suberosa> page so that those can be corrected ?
On 12 May 2017 at 17:20, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Radha ji, for experienced views. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: radha veach <[email protected]> > Date: 12 May 2017 at 16:20 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:268616] Erythrina stricta Roxb. > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > > > Dear Garg ji, > > I have studied all these posts and researched the subject for a number of > years. > I doubt that all the efI posts are correct. Some of them show a mixture of > 2 species and the identity can only be guessed at with long shots of > flowers only. There is a huge confusion on the net as well as many > erroneous images. > > As I mentioned there is considerable diversity *within* each species and > you can't go on only the calyx character, you have to see the whole tree > including leaves, bark, pods and seeds. You also have to consider the age > of the tree. Flowering time varies according to soil and micro environment. > In order to be sure an easy check you can do is look at the leaves and pods > which are the most consistent. > > regards > Radha > > > On 12 May 2017 at 15:23, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Radha ji. >> But posts in efi site tell an altogether different story. >> Pl. see Erythrina suberosa >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fabaceae/erythrina/erythrina-stricta-var-suberosa> >> >> As per the following, your plant also appear to be Erythrina suberosa >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fabaceae/erythrina/erythrina-stricta-var-suberosa> >> to >> me with calyx being two lipped & bark being not grooved. >> >> Pl. see the detailed differences as per the following threads: >> >> As per efi thread >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/5wkiyksq50M> >> : >> Calyx not 2 lipped, splitting down to the base, entire at apex is *E. >> stricta* >> Calyx 2 lipped. not splitting down is *E. suberosa**,* though the bark >> and spines may differ. >> >> As per efi thread: >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!searchin/indiantreepix/Erythrina$20suberosa$20/indiantreepix/XtqBmA7HpMI/-VpSNNl4UYoJ> >> *Erythrina suberosa* called as *Pangari* or *Booch pangara*. Small tree. >> Bark light grey. corky, cracked, vertical fissures or grooves deep. >> Branches crooked. >> Flowers early Feb March; common around Pune. >> >> *Erythrina stricta*. Also called *Pangari*. Large tree. Bark smooth (Not >> grooved) Branches prickly far more than the above. Flowering season >> comparatively late- May Observed more in large jungles in Mulshi and others >> in Konkan not near the city of Pune >> >> As per efi thread >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/subject$3AFabaceae-Faboideae$20AND$20subject$3A(Papilionaceae)$20AND$20subject$3AWeek$20AND$20subject$3A$3A$3A$20AND$20subject$3AErythrina$20AND$20subject$3Asuberosa$20AND$20subject$3Ain$20AND$20subject$3Anorthern$20AND$20subject$3AWestern$20AND$20subject$3AGhats/indiantreepix/XtqBmA7HpMI> >> : >> Of course the *Key in BSI* is very good and depends on calyx >> spathaceous, not 2 lipped, splitting down deep to base in *E.variegata* >> and *E.stricta* whereas not so in *E suberosa* where it is not >> spathaceous and it is more or less 2 lipped. >> >> >> *I request other members from the area to chip in to sort out this >> confusion.* >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: radha veach <[email protected]> >> Date: 11 May 2017 at 20:51 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:268616] Erythrina stricta Roxb. >> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >> >> >> Posting images of *Erythrina stricta* Roxb. from the northern Western >> Ghats. These pictures are from two individuals growing quite close to one >> another and were taken at different times. This species is by far the most >> common wild *Erythrina* in the forests around Mumbai. I have noticed >> some variation within the species especially in the appearance of the bark. >> Older trees have much more of a corky look with fewer prickles. >> >> *E. suberosa* is seen more rarely and always in drier, exposed slopes. >> The leaves of Erythrina stricta are glabrous and those of Erythrina >> suberosa are not. Likewise the pods. >> Both trees bloom when leafless and at this time it is easy to confuse the >> two, especially as fallen leaves are often burnt in forest fires. It is >> almost impossible to distinguish the two species with long shots of the >> flowers alone. Good descriptions of both can be found in Pradip Krishen's >> Jungle Trees of Central India. >> >> regards >> Radha >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images). >> >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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