Anemone rivularis Buch.-Ham. ex DC. ! Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 7:01 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. > > On 27 Jan 2017 10:00 p.m., "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Pity the lower leaves are not shown and close-ups of the 'flowers' are >> not available - >> perhaps you were avoiding the risk of leeches? >> >> Nevertheless, I am, quickly (for once) able to SUGGEST an identification >> - though am not certain. >> >> It is definitely an Anemone. It COULD be *Anemone elongata.* >> >> *HOPEFULLY, OTHER MEMBERS CAN TAKE CLOSE-UP IMAGES OF THIS SPECIES IN THE* >> *FUTURE.* >> >> IF you attempted to use Flowers of the Himalaya, then a problem would >> arise - either >> you would try and CONVINCE yourself (especially as only two images, not >> in close-up) >> are available that it belonged to one of the species described or >> illustrated as photos or >> line drawings. >> >> I imagine the closest you would get is A.polyanthes or A.tetrasepala. >> Based upon the >> images you would, perhaps, plump for Anemone tetrasepala? >> >> Here in lies a problem, you may well have not checked its geographic >> distribution. *This* >> *species has not been recorded East of H.P.* >> >> *Perhaps, you might think, you have a NEW record for Nepal?* >> >> *NO. As I find myself having to repeat, good though 'Flowers of the >> Himalaya' is, IT IS* >> *NOT A FLORA. IT ONLY COVERS A FRACTION OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SPECIES* >> *CURRENTLY KNOWN FROM THE HIMALAYA.* >> >> *In the case of Anemone, Flowers of the Himalaya says c. 17 species - >> whereas this book* >> *only describes 8 - so LESS THAN HALF. For MOST genera, the proportion >> of species per* >> *genus covered is a MUCH lower proportion.* >> >> *There is a Supplement to Flowers of the Himalaya - which is available >> (indeed is an Oxford* >> *India Paperback, printed in New Delhi in 1997). The standard of colour >> reproduction is pretty* >> *good, so why should MUCH INFERIOR colour printed be acceptable in Indian >> publications since* >> *that year!? MORE MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP SHOULD BUY A COPY.* >> >> *This has one more Anemone plus photos of 3 species illustrated as line >> drawings in the main volume* >> *but is nothing like the plant photographed in Nepal.* >> >> *What of the 9 (or more) species not covered. Stewart lists 2 additional >> species, one, far too small and* >> *only known from the NW Himalaya whilst the second is a >> misidentification.* >> >> *Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal lists a further 6 species. >> If one goes by altitudinal range, * >> *5, conveniently eliminated - though one species has a lower limit close >> to 2700m, so should be considered* >> *but is not close to the plant photographed. One A.elongata is recorded >> from 2600-3500m - this fits with 2700m.* >> >> *Flora of Kathmandu Valley has 3 species of Anemone. 2 are well-known: >> A.rivularis & A.vitifolia - which* >> *can be eliminated.* >> >> *This leaves Anemone elongata D.Don. (first described in 1825). Recorded >> from 1800-2500m. This fits. I have seen what* >> *I understand to be this near the top of Mt. Phukcholi, above Godawari. >> The description provided could fit the photos but* >> *without them being close-up and characteristics missing from them, one >> cannot be sure. Furthermore, the reliability of* >> *the information in this 'Flora' varies.* >> >> *IF correctly identified, this represents a NEW entry for eFI.* >> >> According to the Nepal Enumeration its distribution extends from Garwhal >> (so should be looked out for in Uttarakhand - >> perhaps members have observed it there)? It also is supposed to be found >> through to NEFA and what is now Meghalaya >> yet it is not recorded in 'Flora of Bhutan' (which covers Sikkim as >> well). >> >> As for 'supporting evidence'? There appears to be no pressed specimens >> of this species in the Kew herbarium (at least none >> available on their web-site). There are a couple of images available on >> the internet, yet the first is CLEARLY a misidentification >> for a cultivated plant - a form of Japanese Anemone (see: >> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Anemone+elongata%22&tbm=isch&gws_rd=ssl#gws_rd=ssl&imgrc=t998wOGyNtoddM%3A >> ) >> - so that can be disregarded. The other, does not fit what I currently >> understand to be this species but cannot judge the reliability of the >> source. >> >> There is a description but no line-drawing or photos in: >> >> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=3&taxon_id=242000110 >> >> There is a specimen at Edinburgh Botanics, see: >> >> >> http://elmer.rbge.org.uk/bgbase/vherb/bgbasevherb.php?cfg=bgbase/vherb/zoom.cfg&filename=E00438605.zip&queryRow=5 >> >> Unfortunately, this is NOT a good specimen and it has suffered damage by >> insects. It was collected by or for Wallich in the 19th Century. >> There are 5 other, much more recent collections but these are yet to be >> scanned in..... BUT due to high resolution one can zoom in - and >> see more detail than shown by Saroj's photos. >> >> *What do other members think? Do we have an expert on Anemone? * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> >> Chris Chadwell >> >> >> 81 Parlaunt Road >> SLOUGH >> SL3 8BE >> UK >> >> www.shpa.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Friday, 27 January 2017, 8:25 >> *Subject:* Fwd: SK329JAN18-2017:ID >> >> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> >> Date: 18 January 2017 at 22:05 >> Subject: SK329JAN18-2017:ID >> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> Dear Members, >> >> Location: Kalinchowk, Dolakha, Nepal >> Altitude: 9000 ft. >> Date: 26 July 2014 >> >> Anemone ...??? >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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