Thanks, Saroj ji On Wed 13 Jun, 2018, 12:54 PM Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Anemone rivularis Buch.-Ham. ex DC. ! > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 7:01 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. >> >> On 27 Jan 2017 10:00 p.m., "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Pity the lower leaves are not shown and close-ups of the 'flowers' are >>> not available - >>> perhaps you were avoiding the risk of leeches? >>> >>> Nevertheless, I am, quickly (for once) able to SUGGEST an identification >>> - though am not certain. >>> >>> It is definitely an Anemone. It COULD be *Anemone elongata.* >>> >>> *HOPEFULLY, OTHER MEMBERS CAN TAKE CLOSE-UP IMAGES OF THIS SPECIES IN >>> THE* >>> *FUTURE.* >>> >>> IF you attempted to use Flowers of the Himalaya, then a problem would >>> arise - either >>> you would try and CONVINCE yourself (especially as only two images, not >>> in close-up) >>> are available that it belonged to one of the species described or >>> illustrated as photos or >>> line drawings. >>> >>> I imagine the closest you would get is A.polyanthes or A.tetrasepala. >>> Based upon the >>> images you would, perhaps, plump for Anemone tetrasepala? >>> >>> Here in lies a problem, you may well have not checked its geographic >>> distribution. *This* >>> *species has not been recorded East of H.P.* >>> >>> *Perhaps, you might think, you have a NEW record for Nepal?* >>> >>> *NO. As I find myself having to repeat, good though 'Flowers of the >>> Himalaya' is, IT IS* >>> *NOT A FLORA. IT ONLY COVERS A FRACTION OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SPECIES* >>> *CURRENTLY KNOWN FROM THE HIMALAYA.* >>> >>> *In the case of Anemone, Flowers of the Himalaya says c. 17 species - >>> whereas this book* >>> *only describes 8 - so LESS THAN HALF. For MOST genera, the proportion >>> of species per* >>> *genus covered is a MUCH lower proportion.* >>> >>> *There is a Supplement to Flowers of the Himalaya - which is available >>> (indeed is an Oxford* >>> *India Paperback, printed in New Delhi in 1997). The standard of >>> colour reproduction is pretty* >>> *good, so why should MUCH INFERIOR colour printed be acceptable in >>> Indian publications since* >>> *that year!? MORE MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP SHOULD BUY A COPY.* >>> >>> *This has one more Anemone plus photos of 3 species illustrated as line >>> drawings in the main volume* >>> *but is nothing like the plant photographed in Nepal.* >>> >>> *What of the 9 (or more) species not covered. Stewart lists 2 >>> additional species, one, far too small and* >>> *only known from the NW Himalaya whilst the second is a >>> misidentification.* >>> >>> *Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal lists a further 6 >>> species. If one goes by altitudinal range, * >>> *5, conveniently eliminated - though one species has a lower limit close >>> to 2700m, so should be considered* >>> *but is not close to the plant photographed. One A.elongata is >>> recorded from 2600-3500m - this fits with 2700m.* >>> >>> *Flora of Kathmandu Valley has 3 species of Anemone. 2 are well-known: >>> A.rivularis & A.vitifolia - which* >>> *can be eliminated.* >>> >>> *This leaves Anemone elongata D.Don. (first described in 1825). >>> Recorded from 1800-2500m. This fits. I have seen what* >>> *I understand to be this near the top of Mt. Phukcholi, above Godawari. >>> The description provided could fit the photos but* >>> *without them being close-up and characteristics missing from them, one >>> cannot be sure. Furthermore, the reliability of* >>> *the information in this 'Flora' varies.* >>> >>> *IF correctly identified, this represents a NEW entry for eFI.* >>> >>> According to the Nepal Enumeration its distribution extends from Garwhal >>> (so should be looked out for in Uttarakhand - >>> perhaps members have observed it there)? It also is supposed to be >>> found through to NEFA and what is now Meghalaya >>> yet it is not recorded in 'Flora of Bhutan' (which covers Sikkim as >>> well). >>> >>> As for 'supporting evidence'? There appears to be no pressed specimens >>> of this species in the Kew herbarium (at least none >>> available on their web-site). There are a couple of images available on >>> the internet, yet the first is CLEARLY a misidentification >>> for a cultivated plant - a form of Japanese Anemone (see: >>> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Anemone+elongata%22&tbm=isch&gws_rd=ssl#gws_rd=ssl&imgrc=t998wOGyNtoddM%3A >>> ) >>> - so that can be disregarded. The other, does not fit what I currently >>> understand to be this species but cannot judge the reliability of the >>> source. >>> >>> There is a description but no line-drawing or photos in: >>> >>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=3&taxon_id=242000110 >>> >>> There is a specimen at Edinburgh Botanics, see: >>> >>> >>> http://elmer.rbge.org.uk/bgbase/vherb/bgbasevherb.php?cfg=bgbase/vherb/zoom.cfg&filename=E00438605.zip&queryRow=5 >>> >>> Unfortunately, this is NOT a good specimen and it has suffered damage by >>> insects. It was collected by or for Wallich in the 19th Century. >>> There are 5 other, much more recent collections but these are yet to be >>> scanned in..... BUT due to high resolution one can zoom in - and >>> see more detail than shown by Saroj's photos. >>> >>> *What do other members think? Do we have an expert on Anemone? * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> >>> Chris Chadwell >>> >>> >>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>> SLOUGH >>> SL3 8BE >>> UK >>> >>> www.shpa.org.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Friday, 27 January 2017, 8:25 >>> *Subject:* Fwd: SK329JAN18-2017:ID >>> >>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> >>> Date: 18 January 2017 at 22:05 >>> Subject: SK329JAN18-2017:ID >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you. >>> Dear Members, >>> >>> Location: Kalinchowk, Dolakha, Nepal >>> Altitude: 9000 ft. >>> Date: 26 July 2014 >>> >>> Anemone ...??? >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >>> world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia >>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>> database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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