Usha Di, I agree with your view that just because something is not in a check list does not mean it does not exist in that region. We occasionally come across plants which are not in the checklist. For example, we found Impatiens monticola <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Mountain%20Balsam.html> 10 years back in Manipur, and later in Sikkim, but it is still not listed in efloraofindia@BSI <http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/lowerTaxaList.action?parentId=3051&parentName=%20%20%20Impatiens>. Our latest one is Aristolochia ovatifolia <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Ovate-Leaf%20Pipevine.html>, also from Manipur, which is not listed in India. However, we also use various checklists as guides to verify if our identification could be wrong, especially in situations when the pictures with us are not sufficient to narrow down on one particular species. If our initial identification leads us to a particular species, and it is not listed in any checklist, we explore other related species to check if it could be something else. If nothing else matches, we are not shy to consider it as a first sighting. I think I will seriously consider your suggestion of starting a list of first sightings, or sightings after a long time gap, on FOI. Cheers! Tabish ------------------------------------------- <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net The waterhole of flower lovers
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:47 AM Ushadi Micromini <[email protected]> wrote: > Garagji and Tabish > exactly my point > Just because something is not in a check list does not mean it does not > exist. > or as you think, Gargji it may indeed be something entirely a different > species. > but what if the id is correct, yet its not in any checklist??? > > My Gandma always said if you dont find a previous case report , better > write your own case report. > that was in medicine. In medicine my other mentors said the same thing. > (a case report, > once published would be indexed in Index Medicus, PUBmed nowdays, same as > the botany checklist I guess) > same rule should apply here in botany > after due diligence in identifying a species, > if we still dont find it in a check list, > thats ok > start our own checklist: newly sighted or new occurrence > may be have a category that says: > we have identifed XY or Z > not in any checklists > so its a "new" occurrence > > it can happen in old fashioned migration way > > or in these days global travels its almost invariably possible. > or it escaped from a study farm or botanical garden > some of these maintain extensive notes of import dates etc, > but they are not bound to announce it to the world at large. > > SO my take is if something is bothering us, send the case to many > botanists who would id that plant > and then list it as FIRST SIGHTING. > and let BSI or local Botany department do the population survey or > whatever their protocol calls for. > after a first sighting. > > > In this case Tabish has found it in a ckecklist . > > thanks > usha di > > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:17 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you Garg ji, for having a critical look at this species. >> If you see *Euphrasia pectinata *subsp.* pectinata *at Catalog of Life >> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/8e689283334ed1c56523c2191c5f68dd>, >> you will see that Nubra Valley in Ladakh is listed in the distribution. I >> photographed it in Nubra Valley only. It is also listed in a checklist >> for Ladakh <http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ladakh/checklist.html>, maintained >> by some botanists. This may not be official, but I believe they must have >> published it somewhere. >> Best wishes >> Tabish >> ------------------------------------------- >> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >> The waterhole of flower lovers >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 6:12 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Images of Euphrasia pectinata in FOI >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Large-Bract%20Eyebright.html> >>> may not be correct. >>> None of the sources give distribution of *Euphrasia pectinata *in India >>> or Nepal: >>> Flora of China >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200020659> >>> Catalogue of Life >>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/937b86c45b9c450182f918d742322f18> >>> Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalayas By Francis . Pennell (1943)- >>> Description & *Keys* >>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=akXKOaT69SwC&pg=PR6&lpg=PR6&dq=Euphrasia+himalayica&source=bl&ots=tnwL5Pxwzd&sig=S7HYUNTc1ZVj1Zc2AnjzFwqeeuY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Rw4CUq_YKMiGrgfsjIHoAw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=Euphrasia%20himalayica&f=false> >>> Species with distribution in annotated checklist of Flowering plants of >>> Nepal >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=112361> >>> I feel it is some other species as lot of these are reported from the >>> area as per details at Euphrasia >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/orobanchaceae/euphrasia> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>> >>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>> >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >>> world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or >>> Efloraofindia >>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>> database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which 1,00,000 >>> are directly displayed). >>> >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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