Dear Tabish thats good. checklists/index medicus/pubmed all are giants on whose shoulders your list can stand. they have to be a basis of our knowlegde no doubt. but there is room to grow and improve.
your list could be further classified as *A* 1st sighting of already known species and if needed *B * first sighting of a new species for this you need a botanist......BSI type of logistics usha di On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > Usha Di, > I agree with your view that just because something is not in a check > list does not mean it does not exist in that region. We occasionally come > across plants which are not in the checklist. For example, we found Impatiens > monticola > <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Mountain%20Balsam.html> 10 > years back in Manipur, and later in Sikkim, but it is still not listed in > efloraofindia@BSI > <http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/lowerTaxaList.action?parentId=3051&parentName=%20%20%20Impatiens>. > Our latest one is Aristolochia ovatifolia > <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Ovate-Leaf%20Pipevine.html>, > also from Manipur, which is not listed in India. > However, we also use various checklists as guides to verify if our > identification could be wrong, especially in situations when the pictures > with us are not sufficient to narrow down on one particular species. If our > initial identification leads us to a particular species, and it is not > listed in any checklist, we explore other related species to check if it > could be something else. If nothing else matches, we are not shy to > consider it as a first sighting. > I think I will seriously consider your suggestion of starting a list of > first sightings, or sightings after a long time gap, on FOI. > Cheers! > Tabish > ------------------------------------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:47 AM Ushadi Micromini <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Garagji and Tabish >> exactly my point >> Just because something is not in a check list does not mean it does not >> exist. >> or as you think, Gargji it may indeed be something entirely a different >> species. >> but what if the id is correct, yet its not in any checklist??? >> >> My Gandma always said if you dont find a previous case report , better >> write your own case report. >> that was in medicine. In medicine my other mentors said the same thing. >> (a case report, >> once published would be indexed in Index Medicus, PUBmed nowdays, same as >> the botany checklist I guess) >> same rule should apply here in botany >> after due diligence in identifying a species, >> if we still dont find it in a check list, >> thats ok >> start our own checklist: newly sighted or new occurrence >> may be have a category that says: >> we have identifed XY or Z >> not in any checklists >> so its a "new" occurrence >> >> it can happen in old fashioned migration way >> >> or in these days global travels its almost invariably possible. >> or it escaped from a study farm or botanical garden >> some of these maintain extensive notes of import dates etc, >> but they are not bound to announce it to the world at large. >> >> SO my take is if something is bothering us, send the case to many >> botanists who would id that plant >> and then list it as FIRST SIGHTING. >> and let BSI or local Botany department do the population survey or >> whatever their protocol calls for. >> after a first sighting. >> >> >> In this case Tabish has found it in a ckecklist . >> >> thanks >> usha di >> >> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:17 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Garg ji, for having a critical look at this species. >>> If you see *Euphrasia pectinata *subsp.* pectinata *at Catalog of Life >>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/8e689283334ed1c56523c2191c5f68dd>, >>> you will see that Nubra Valley in Ladakh is listed in the distribution. I >>> photographed it in Nubra Valley only. It is also listed in a checklist >>> for Ladakh <http://www.butbn.cas.cz/ladakh/checklist.html>, maintained >>> by some botanists. This may not be official, but I believe they must have >>> published it somewhere. >>> Best wishes >>> Tabish >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 6:12 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Images of Euphrasia pectinata in FOI >>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Large-Bract%20Eyebright.html> >>>> may not be correct. >>>> None of the sources give distribution of *Euphrasia pectinata *in >>>> India or Nepal: >>>> Flora of China >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200020659> >>>> Catalogue of Life >>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/937b86c45b9c450182f918d742322f18> >>>> Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalayas By Francis . Pennell (1943)- >>>> Description & *Keys* >>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=akXKOaT69SwC&pg=PR6&lpg=PR6&dq=Euphrasia+himalayica&source=bl&ots=tnwL5Pxwzd&sig=S7HYUNTc1ZVj1Zc2AnjzFwqeeuY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Rw4CUq_YKMiGrgfsjIHoAw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=Euphrasia%20himalayica&f=false> >>>> Species with distribution in annotated checklist of Flowering plants of >>>> Nepal >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=112361> >>>> I feel it is some other species as lot of these are reported from the >>>> area as per details at Euphrasia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/orobanchaceae/euphrasia> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> >>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>> >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which 1,00,000 >>>> are directly displayed). >>>> >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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