Thank you Mr Garg for pulling these Pedicularis species out for renewed discussion. Please convey my thanks to Arti ji for her expert comments. I will revisit my files and attempt a better understanding.
With best regards, Ashwini > On 24 Sep 2018, at 13:46, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks a lot, Arti ji. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arti Garg > Date: 24 September 2018 at 13:24 > Subject: Re: Fwd: Yet another discussion on Pedicularis! ABAUG2017/12 > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > If you have dissected the flower and compared characters then you might be > right in your conclusion as Pedicularis flowers are often deceptive in > identification merely by photographs. > > Arti Garg, > Botanical Survey of India > Central Regional Centre, > 10 Chattham Lines > Allahabad 211002 > > > > On Monday, 24 September, 2018, 12:39:37 PM IST, J.M. Garg <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Going by the hairiness of corolla & upto 6 number of pinnae pairs of basal > leaves as per the keys and details at Critical Taxonomic Appraisal of Some > Taxa of Pedicularis from Indian Himalayas Belonging to Section Siphonanthae > by Arti Garg (2009) <http://tai2.ntu.edu.tw/taiwania/pdf/tai.2009.54.122.pdf> > (pdf), I feel it may be more closer to Pedicularis punctata Decne. > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/orobanchaceae/pedicularis/pedicularis-punctata> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: 7 August 2017 at 10:18 > Subject: Yet another discussion on Pedicularis! ABAUG2017/12 > To: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Cc: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>, Tabish > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>, Dinesh Valke > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>, "J.M. Garg" > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > The long-tube pedicularis species, which is very common here above 3000m, has > confused me. I have followed the excellent discussion between Dr Singh, > Tabish ji and other senior members and have at times concluded that the > plants here are P. siphonantha but another doubt nags me and I start looking > at the characteristics again. > > Looking at the sketch uploaded by Tabish ji here > <https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/e36d7a85e0216671/Pedicularis.jpg?part=0.1&view=1&vt=ANaJVrEtAptdaht5u2Pj-lcsDLZouMjVcxlJXpSBVs1GmC-hjQBpsFN3snYDVjCrDzlVfJDAcNq5AQ68UVg36SH3zpKVYbfLC8ls6wH-4nBhb2NUrJKOn0g>, > I would say that flowers of our plants are closer to P. punctata than P. > siphonantha (tube length and its ratio with the calyx). I have included a > photo of our flower (without calyx) on a ruler for comparison below. > Accounting for the absence of calyx in the photograph, the tube length > matches with figure A and so does the shape of the galea. > > However, the lower lip on our flower is narrow (about 7-8mm) while P. > punctata should have a broader, 15mm, lower lip. > > The number of lobes on the lower leaves is higher than 6 (see photo). The > petiole is long and not winged. This would suggest not P. punctata again. > > Dr Singh had suggested P. hookeriana which was described briefly by Kletter > and Kriechbaum here > <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=ODrIXj-48RsC&pg=PA171&lpg=PA171&dq=pedicularis+hookeriana&source=bl&ots=gUvRh-j7Jt&sig=vv_ReidCDSUxF3FLKEUVghwAg9g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ5tP1nsTVAhUEuI8KHRLiB5UQ6AEITzAN#v=onepage&q=pedicularis%20hookeriana&f=false> > in their 2001 discussion of P. punctata but it was concluded that since the > drawing in the 2009 paper shows shorter tube length, P. hookeriana was not a > possibility. But the tube length of P. siphonantha in the drawing does not > match our sample either. > > Most of the images of P. siphonantha available online show a higher ratio of > tube-length to calyx than our flowers here. > > Our plant is gregarious at 3200m with many clumps of flowers. I have tried to > include photos to show that. > > I would request my seniors to look at this species again and advise. I am at > a loss as to which source takes precedence. I apologise for requesting to > open this discussion yet again and hope that you will find merit in doing so. > > Thanks and regards, > Ashwini > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which > 1,00,000 are directly displayed). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). 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