Hi, Sorry for the late reply. The story of Q. lanata and Q. oblongata (Syn Q. leucotrichophora) is very complex. Some authors consider them synonyms and some independent species. The recent classification of oaks has considered them the separate species BUT If you see the specimens used to describe the species, they all are located in Europe or the US. The Flora Of China considers them synonyms after studying them in the natural habitat.
IMHO, 1. For describing a species one must study it in its natural habitat i.e Himalaya and adjacent region. 2. All the features used to describe Q. lanata and Q. oblongata is more or less the same. Some separate them with big acorn cups for Q. lanata and small for Q. oblongata but I observed so much variation in the size. Another feature used is the number of teeth on the leaf margin, which is also very variable in Q. oblongata that I have observed in its habitat (Himachal and Uttarakhand). 3. Another doubt is the distribution of Q. lanata. There are 2 views on this: 3a. It grows from west Himalaya to East and continues into China, Myanmar, North Thailand and Vietnam. 3b. It is absent in western Himalaya and starts from mid-Nepal to Sikkim, WB, Bhutan, Arunachal Pradesh, China, Myanmar, North Thailand and Vietnam. 4. The photographs I saw of Q. lanata from an arboretum located in Spain is the same as of any Q. oblongata I have seen in Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand. 5. There is also a third view of this conflict. It says that the Q. oblongata is a subspecies or variety of Q. lanata. In reality, there is not enough data collected and research done to consider Q. lanata a separate species for now. China has done some ground research but nothing from India yet. There is a need for a proper field study on the species in India (not just Q. lanata but many other oak species). I hope this will be helpful. Kind Regards Gaurav Verma On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:33 AM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > Deare Gaurv Ji , > > Awaiting for your reply please ! > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 4:56 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, Gaurav ji, >> WCSP gives both *Quercus lanata *Sm >> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=173491>. & *Quercus >> oblongata *D.Don >> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=174133> as accepted >> species as per details at links. >> Pl. clarify. >> >> On Sat, 4 May 2019 at 13:12, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Gaurav ji. >>> >>> On Sat, 4 May 2019 at 12:54, Gaurav Verma <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, It's Q. oblongata (syn. Q. leucotrichophora/ Q. lanata). >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:59 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Gaurav ji. >>>>> Do you agree with Saroj ji's id ? >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: Gaurav Verma >>>>> Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 at 23:52 >>>>> Subject: Re: SK1854 21 April 2019 >>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> This is not Q. semecarpifolia. First reason, Q. semecarpifolia is a >>>>> high altitude oak. It normally starts growing from 2500m to 4000m. Quercus >>>>> lanata/ oblongata/ leucotrichophora grows from 1300m to 3000m. >>>>> >>>>> Secondly, the leaves of Q. semecarpifolia are oval in shape with >>>>> entire margin or with sharp teeth (normally on young shoots). The >>>>> underside >>>>> is brown/golden in colour. The leaves of Quercus lanata/ oblongata/ >>>>> leucotrichophora are oblong in shape with toothed in apical half. The >>>>> underside is white/ silver or sometimes yellowish white. I am attaching >>>>> some photographs of leaves for better understanding. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 3:09 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Why not *Quercus semecarpifolia* Sm. >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fagaceae/quercus-robur/quercus-semecarpifolia> >>>>>> as >>>>>> per images and details herein? >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 19:23 >>>>>> Subject: SK1854 21 April 2019 >>>>>> To: efloraindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Members >>>>>> >>>>>> Location: Nagarjun Forest reserve, Kathmandu >>>>>> Date: 20 April 2019 >>>>>> Elevation: 2121 m. >>>>>> Habit : Wild >>>>>> >>>>>> Quercus lanata Sm. ?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> >>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>> the world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or >>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>> species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>> 1,00,000 are directly displayed). >>>>>> >>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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