Thank you Gaurav ji for the enlightenment. Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 8:40 PM Gaurav Verma <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > Sorry for the late reply. The story of Q. lanata and Q. oblongata (Syn Q. > leucotrichophora) is very complex. Some authors consider them synonyms and > some independent species. The recent classification of oaks has considered > them the separate species BUT If you see the specimens used to describe the > species, they all are located in Europe or the US. The Flora Of China > considers them synonyms after studying them in the natural habitat. > > IMHO, > 1. For describing a species one must study it in its natural habitat i.e > Himalaya and adjacent region. > 2. All the features used to describe Q. lanata and Q. oblongata is more or > less the same. Some separate them with big acorn cups for Q. lanata and > small for Q. oblongata but I observed so much variation in the size. > Another feature used is the number of teeth on the leaf margin, which is > also very variable in Q. oblongata that I have observed in its habitat > (Himachal and Uttarakhand). > 3. Another doubt is the distribution of Q. lanata. There are 2 views on > this: > 3a. It grows from west Himalaya to East and continues into China, Myanmar, > North Thailand and Vietnam. > 3b. It is absent in western Himalaya and starts from mid-Nepal to Sikkim, > WB, Bhutan, Arunachal Pradesh, China, Myanmar, North Thailand and > Vietnam. > 4. The photographs I saw of Q. lanata from an arboretum located in Spain > is the same as of any Q. oblongata I have seen in Himachal Pradesh and > Uttarakhand. > 5. There is also a third view of this conflict. It says that the Q. > oblongata is a subspecies or variety of Q. lanata. > > In reality, there is not enough data collected and research done to > consider Q. lanata a separate species for now. China has done some ground > research but nothing from India yet. There is a need for a proper field > study on the species in India (not just Q. lanata but many other oak > species). > > I hope this will be helpful. > > Kind Regards > Gaurav Verma > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:33 AM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Deare Gaurv Ji , >> >> Awaiting for your reply please ! >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 4:56 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Gaurav ji, >>> WCSP gives both *Quercus lanata *Sm >>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=173491>. & *Quercus >>> oblongata *D.Don >>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/namedetail.do?name_id=174133> as accepted >>> species as per details at links. >>> Pl. clarify. >>> >>> On Sat, 4 May 2019 at 13:12, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Gaurav ji. >>>> >>>> On Sat, 4 May 2019 at 12:54, Gaurav Verma <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, It's Q. oblongata (syn. Q. leucotrichophora/ Q. lanata). >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:59 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Gaurav ji. >>>>>> Do you agree with Saroj ji's id ? >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: Gaurav Verma >>>>>> Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 at 23:52 >>>>>> Subject: Re: SK1854 21 April 2019 >>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> This is not Q. semecarpifolia. First reason, Q. semecarpifolia is a >>>>>> high altitude oak. It normally starts growing from 2500m to 4000m. >>>>>> Quercus >>>>>> lanata/ oblongata/ leucotrichophora grows from 1300m to 3000m. >>>>>> >>>>>> Secondly, the leaves of Q. semecarpifolia are oval in shape with >>>>>> entire margin or with sharp teeth (normally on young shoots). The >>>>>> underside >>>>>> is brown/golden in colour. The leaves of Quercus lanata/ oblongata/ >>>>>> leucotrichophora are oblong in shape with toothed in apical half. The >>>>>> underside is white/ silver or sometimes yellowish white. I am attaching >>>>>> some photographs of leaves for better understanding. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 3:09 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why not *Quercus semecarpifolia* Sm. >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fagaceae/quercus-robur/quercus-semecarpifolia> >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> per images and details herein? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 19:23 >>>>>>> Subject: SK1854 21 April 2019 >>>>>>> To: efloraindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Members >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Location: Nagarjun Forest reserve, Kathmandu >>>>>>> Date: 20 April 2019 >>>>>>> Elevation: 2121 m. >>>>>>> Habit : Wild >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quercus lanata Sm. ?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>>> the world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or >>>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>> species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>>> 1,00,000 are directly displayed). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for >>>>>>> free >>>>>>> as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds >>>>>>> of India'. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> >>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>> the world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or >>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>> species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>> 1,00,000 are directly displayed). >>>>>> >>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>>>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds >>>>>> of India'. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> >>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>> >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which 1,00,000 >>>> are directly displayed). >>>> >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>> >>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>>> India'. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>> >>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>> >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >>> world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or >>> Efloraofindia >>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>> database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which 1,00,000 >>> are directly displayed). >>> >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>> >>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>> India'. >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytQL23hy8YhnCf0AnXSdEB8M%3DwBHj1_LYQMxK4NqQoNOCA%40mail.gmail.com.
