---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 07:32 Subject: Re: [itpmods:12928] Fwd: Internship work in eFloraofindia To: itpmods <[email protected]>
I never said that working on efi is not a good idea or has no meaning. Internships are of three types and all three types atleast gives experience to the student. 1. One which is chosen by the student and he or she has the freedom to do what he/she wants and is recognised as a voluntary work, but has no mark value but is supposed to be a part of course the person is undertaking.What the student get is an authorised certificate. 2. Second is a compulsion as a part of their course study and they must do it from a recognised organisation, and the student gets a particular marks for that. What the student get is an authorised certificate. 3. Third is a voluntary act, students get nothing out of it except experience. In this we can give a recommendation letter to the student. I or any one of us can write a letter on respective letterhead stating their involvement and conduct. But this is not certificate. In Hong Kong there is a thing called summer internship and it has to be done from a recognised organisation and hence the organisation is contacted by the students university. Students get some bonus marks for that and its a part of their curriculum and infact if the organisation doesnt give a positive certificate (very rarely if student does something bad) then student may also be expelled from their university. Now, how to get efi involved in this? The best way would be to get it recognised by a UGC recognised university. Then for example a staff member or ex-staff member of University along with Garg sir and some others can sign the certificate, endorsing that the intern has done some work on the efloraofindia from the period of xxx to xxx. Chinese Virtual Herbarium in China is run by the university staff members and anyone involved is recognised by their perfomance based on number of species contributed, number of pics contributed, number of id contributed etc. But as it is run by the University staff itself, hence it is well recognised and it matters for a member to be participating in it. Ours is a different case. We should either get ourself recognised by a university of an organisation. I suggest there are two ways: Officially recognised by any University which any of our current or ex-faculty members can do by putting it up with their university board. Then the certificate can be signed with a logo or Write a letter to Ministry of Environment and Forests and tell them about our work and get it recognised by them (the main basis being it is selfless effort by both scientists and citizen-scientists). It may take some time to get recognised but once done, it would certainly be an achievement. I would suggest this to be done by Gurcharan sir as he is based in Delhi and is well recognised. Please remember that I am not against it, rather I want the intern to earn some authentic certificate from us apart from experience. On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 00:06, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes it is a good idea. We have to do our bit to make the group popular. I > latest Fourth International Edition of my book "Plant Systematics An > Integrated Approach" released in June, 2019 I have added the followng > paragraph: > > Last few years have seen the spurt of internet-based exchange of > information. Efloraofindia (formerly > Indiantreepix) https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ is one of the > biggest non-commercial website, > based on photographic collection of plants. It is documenting flora of > India that is being discussed on > efloraofindia google e-group https://groups.google.com/forum/indiantreepix, > devoted to creating awareness, > helping in identification, discussion and documentation of Indian Flora. > It also has the largest database > on net on Indian Flora with more than 12,000 species (along with more than > 3,00,000 pictures. It also > includes species from other parts of world. > This will also be there in Fourth Edition of Indian version "Plant > Systematics: Theory and Practice", which will be released soon, and am > happy to note is read widely by College and University students and > teachers. > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:48 AM Giby Kuriakose < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Great Garg ji, >> >> This is something interesting. I support the point that Pankaj shared, to >> some extant. A student by doing an internship would be looking for a valid >> certificate (at the present job scenario is concerned). Valid means valid >> for their respective colleges, universities, companies, firms, etc. Many of >> the colleges and Universities do not know about efi. Whenever I deliver an >> invited lecture I use to incorporate efi as one of the best platforms to >> get plants idied and a great chance to get in touch with leading experts in >> plant taxonomy in India. However, people are reluctant to come up with >> using the platform (a scenario from Kerala, at least). I do not know why. >> Many of the Indian institutes have not yet accepted the idea of such groups >> in solving identification problems. However, we are growing further from >> the base that you laid years back and I believe that this idea would also >> get accepted by botanists and plant taxonomy aspirants in near future. >> >> I include(ed) my role in efi in my CV and whenever there is a query on >> the same, I use to tell them about efi and my role (especially how I learnt >> more about plants that are in distant places that I may not reach from my >> place) in efi precisely. That is more than enough, I believe. We can spread >> the message somehow. >> >> I would be happy to tell my students to take up small assignments such as >> identification comparison and gathering data based on our data archives. I >> shall certainly consider this as an internship as she or he got to know how >> to go about something anew. That would probably help them to go further, I >> am sure. >> >> It doesn't matter whether any agency or admission authority or firm would >> consider the certificate valid. But what is important is that he or she >> (student) has learned to do something (after doing some exercises) that >> would add confidence in the student, for sure. Getting such chances where >> several experts are present is also a matter that should be considered a >> great achievement for a student to start with. That confidence itself would >> be an added boost for a better learning experience. I suggest you to make >> sure that there should be some monitoring and scrutiny of the works done by >> the interns. Based on the recommendations a certificate of appreciation >> shall be issued. Also the names of interns and their respective works shall >> be mentioned in our site. That itself would be a reference for them to >> claim. >> >> Regards, >> Giby >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:43 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Lalithamba ji. >>> >>> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 20:16, Lalithamba Avadhanam <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> yes a good idea to encourage them by issuing a certificate by our >>>> emeritus persons; they may be entrusted to write notes/key to the species >>>> where it is yet to be done in the efi, or region wise classifications/ to >>>> contribute a few images they have observed like that, it will be useful to >>>> efi thus they may learn how to manage the data how to study etc.,it will >>>> also teach them how to deal in a group >>>> regards >>>> A.Lalithamba >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:01 PM Mohina Macker <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It would be a good idea to encourage students to contribute towards >>>>> efl as it is an interesting endeavour for the students as well. Perhaps >>>>> instead of calling it an official internship it can be termed as work >>>>> experience. Internship is an official part of education bound by college >>>>> or >>>>> university regulations of time period, stipends, supervision, etc. >>>>> Perhaps voluntary students could be offered time bound, predetermined >>>>> projects entailing some research and organization to keep them engaged. >>>>> I would think one of the senior members or a botanist could then give >>>>> them a certificate, it will look good on a young person's resume. >>>>> Regards >>>>> Mohina >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On 06-Aug-2019, at 01:21, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Garg ji >>>>> Internship work in eFloraofindia is a good and innovative idea. This >>>>> will be quite helpful to the interns as well as for the popularization of >>>>> efi. A common certificate may be designed and e-signed by two authorized >>>>> signatories (you and Dr. Singh Sir can do this work). The interns will be >>>>> required to associate with some botanists. This information may be put on >>>>> the efi website. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 6 Aug, 2019, 8:34 AM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> May I request other moderators also to give their views and how they >>>>>> feel as it is a very important point of discussion and Pankaj ji has also >>>>>> raised a very important point. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Sun 4 Aug, 2019, 3:43 PM >>>>>> Subject: Internship work in eFloraofindia >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear members, >>>>>> These days lot of students wants to do internship in their vacations. >>>>>> Lot of them are willing do that even if it's free. >>>>>> I request members to urge botany, taxonomy, ecology students etc. to >>>>>> take up internship work in Efloraofindia. They may be asked to help in >>>>>> the >>>>>> identifications etc. on the efloraofindia e group >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix>. >>>>>> In lieu of their work, we may provide suitable certificate in the >>>>>> matter, if required. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> >>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>> species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>> more than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). >>>>>> >>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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You can also use them for free as >>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>> >>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>> India'. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFDOP9D5EB0su%3DxBZJBGozgqFE2hkE1xZwxdexzvdjVWKw%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFDOP9D5EB0su%3DxBZJBGozgqFE2hkE1xZwxdexzvdjVWKw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >> Assistant Professor and Research Guide >> PG and Research Department of Botany >> Sacred Heart College >> Thevara >> Kochi- 682 013 >> Kerala, India >> Phone - +914844044436 (office) +919947109987 (Mobile) >> http://www.shcollege.ac.in/Department/Botany/FacultyList >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "ITPmods" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CANAPXzfQA%3DzXoqG34a7UBVXWUmQ1L3%3Djt8VVQnvH-c%2B7Ox172Q%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CANAPXzfQA%3DzXoqG34a7UBVXWUmQ1L3%3Djt8VVQnvH-c%2B7Ox172Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ITPmods" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpUXSrwXtX0FtMW7RnNhRn3yYiJ0Kx52Svm4epDpamezyw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpUXSrwXtX0FtMW7RnNhRn3yYiJ0Kx52Svm4epDpamezyw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- ****************************************************** **************************************************************** *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* *Office*: Orchid Conservation Section Flora Conservation Department Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., China *email*: [email protected]; [email protected] *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 (mobile); *Fax*: +852 2483 7194 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ITPmods" group. 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For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). The whole world uses my Image Resource <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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