Thank you so much Dr. Vijayasankar ji for the detailed explanation. Thank you also for showing us the beautiful M. Insignis pictures. The difference in the species is very clear now.
regards, Rashida. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:35 AM, R. Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: > Very interesting discussion! To add my views: > > Attaching pictures of *Madhuca insignis *for comparison. This endemic > species is found only in Udupi, Karnataka and is listed by IUCN as > 'presumably extinct'. Its very rare, not cultivated and so no confusion. The > leaves are broadly obovate, obtuse (blunt) at apex. Fruits fusiform, smooth > i.e. not hairy, with a single seed. Attached our paper on this species for > ref. > > Neil ji's pictures are clearly *Madhuca latifolia *[= M. indica]. Here the > fruits are nearly spherical, oblique at apex, hairy, 1-4-seeded; leaves > broad. I too think Raghu ji's pictures belong to this species. > > Rashida ji & Tabish ji's pictures represent *Madhuca longifolia*, wherein > the leaves are like that of mango i.e. narrowly lanceolate, wavy along > margin and pointed at apex, again the fruits are oblong and hairy, > 1-4-seeded. > > *Madhuca neriifolia* has narrowly oblanceolate leaves with more or less > obtuse apex. The fruits are smooth, fusiform, beaked, always with a single > seed. > > There is one more species earlier known as *Madhuca butyracea* (now it is > *Diploknema butyracea*) is occasionally met with in India. Known as > 'Indian Butter tree' and 'Phulwara'. Original distribution as per GRIN > http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?403431 is : Sikkim, UP, > A&N Islands in India and also in Bhutan & Nepal. I collected herbarium from > Haldwani, Uttarakhand (planted) but couldn't take a photo. Gurcharan ji's > picture reminds me this species. I am not sure but. The leaves are broadly > elliptic with a pointed apex. > > *Madhuca bourdilonii* is an another endemic species, confined to W.Ghats > of KA & KL. > http://wgbis.ces.iisc.ernet.in/energy/water/paper/Relic/madhuca.htm It is > distinct from all the above spp., hence there is not confusion in id. Here > the leaves are broadly obovate and densely hairy beneath. Fruits > subspherical and smooth, 2-3 seeded. > > With regards > > R. Vijayasankar > NCNPR, Univ.Mississippi > Oxford, MS, USA. > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> It is becoming interesting >> Four distinct taxa to be sorted and fixed: >> 1. Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia (the two photographs >> uploaded by me above, and photographs of Neil ji above) >> 2. My third photograph which was identified by Neil ji as Madhuca >> longifolia var. longifolia (I have put original mail into circulation again. >> >> https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&shva=1#sent/12863e87cc5be2ed >> >> <https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&shva=1#sent/12863e87cc5be2ed>3. The >> plant uploaded by Rahu ji above which some of us inclined to call M. >> longifolia var. latifolia but the leaves are definitely narrower than >> typical specimens >> 4. The plant uploaded by Rashida ji above as M. longifolia var. longifolia >> but to me looks different possibly M. malabarica >> >> The members may please upload more photographs of Madhuca to fix atleast >> four taxa recorded from India.: M. longifolia var. longifolia, M. longifolia >> var. latifolia, M. malabarica (perhaps correctly M. neriifolia) and M. >> bourdillonii. >> >> -- >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The fruit oil is also used for burning the lamps. Flowers are dried and >>> used for long time. The fruits are favourate for elephants because of >>> intoxication effect. Please watch Beautiful People movei to enjoy the scene. >>> Madhuri >>> >>> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *Anand Kumar Bhatt <[email protected]> >>> *Date: *Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:52:13 +0530 >>> *To: *Tabish<[email protected]> >>> *Cc: *efloraofindia<[email protected]> >>> *Subject: *Re: [efloraofindia:36806] Re: Fruitng Tree | Mahwa >>> >>> It is a very useful tree. The flowers fall and they are edible as it is >>> or it can be boiled. It is also used to make the basic fermented liquid to >>> make/distill liquor. tribals love it. Even our large distilleries making >>> tharra were using it as raw material.Now most of them have switched to >>> molasses as they find it much cheaper. Its fruit gives oil, which now I am >>> told after some processing has been made edible for humans. A large shady >>> tree which nobody cuts because of its usefulness. >>> ak >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Gurcharan ji, >>>> I think Madhuca longifolia var. longifolia leaves are much narrower >>>> than that of common Mahua (Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia). With >>>> the leaves in the pictures here, and the veins on them, to me it >>>> appears to be Common Mahua (Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia). Can't >>>> be too sure though. >>>> - Tabish >>>> >>>> On Jun 2, 7:21 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > I hope this is South India Mahua Madhuca longifolia var. longifolia >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> > Retired Associate Professor >>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: >>>> > 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:38 AM, raghu ananth <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Hippe {Kannada], Mahua, Mohwa >>>> > > Bassia latifolia (Syn. Madhuca Indica), Fam. 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